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VanderGraafKommandöh 
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 Posted: July 17 2006 at 14:15 |
When have we ever synced up?   Actually, we both believe the intro to Man-Erg is beautiful.
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Ben2112
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Posted: July 17 2006 at 18:04 |
 Tony Fisher wrote:
I have just spent an evening listening again to Pawn Hearts and Godbluff, trying to work out why I never got into this band, hoping enlightenment would come.At the end, all I have concluded is that Hugh Banton is a very fine keyboards player, that Guy Evans is a talented drummer but that I really cannot stand the band's music at all and that Hamill's vocals are probably the worst of any prog singer I've heard.So what DO the band's fans see in them??? I'm missing it completely.
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Honestly, I used to agree with you. They were the one "big" band on this site that I just could not get into. Strangely though, after watching their old vids on youtube, I started to become intrigued with their music. Hamill's vocals are a little over the top, but they don't keep me from enjoying a band that I once wrote off completely. Same thing happened with Gentle Giant: I bought Octopus about 10-12 years ago, and listened to it once. Then, after getting some GG vids from P2P networks a couple of years back, I became obsessed with them. I think maybe there are just some bands that I have to see operate to truly appreciate.
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Norbert
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Location: Hungary
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 07:42 |
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I love this band. I never had problems getting into Pawn Hearts. I had more problems with Still Life at the first 3-4 spins. It was my first second phase VDGG album and it sounded less captivating than their previous efforts. Now I like it, but still prefer the first era. My two fave albums are Pawn Hearts and H to He who am the only one. Actually, Pawn Hearts is definitevly in my all-time top 5, a "desert island classic".
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 07:56 |
Ben2112 wrote:
Honestly, I used to agree with you. They were the one "big" band on this site that I just could not get into. Strangely though, after watching their old vids on youtube, I started to become intrigued with their music. Hamill's vocals are a little over the top, but they don't keep me from enjoying a band that I once wrote off completely. Same thing happened with Gentle Giant: I bought Octopus about 10-12 years ago, and listened to it once. Then, after getting some GG vids from P2P networks a couple of years back, I became obsessed with them. I think maybe there are just some bands that I have to see operate to truly appreciate.
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I think you got that right!!
both VdGG and GG must be experienced visually to undertstand who does what in the band,
more so for VdGG >> to know how these aggressive sounds are born >> the DVD was definitely a click for me.
Edited by Sean Trane - July 18 2006 at 07:56
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Fassbinder
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 12:19 |
Sean Trane wrote:
both VdGG and GG must be experienced visually to undertstand who does what in the band,
more so for VdGG >> to know how these aggressive sounds are born >> the DVD was definitely a click for me. |
On the other hand, there are plenty of people who doesn't need to see either VdGG or GG to like them... (audio experience is enough for them)...
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bhikkhu
Special Collaborator
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Joined: April 06 2006
Location: A² Michigan
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 13:33 |
Fassbinder wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
both VdGG and GG must be experienced visually to undertstand who does what in the band,
more so for VdGG >> to know how these aggressive sounds are born >> the DVD was definitely a click for me. |
On the other hand, there are plenty of people who doesn't need to see either VdGG or GG to like them... (audio experience is enough for them)... |
Right you are. I have nevever seen any video of VDGG, and only a small clip of GG. I love both bands.
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Jmoog
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Joined: February 22 2006
Location: United States
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Posted: July 18 2006 at 22:08 |
Tony Fisher wrote:
I have just spent an evening listening again to Pawn Hearts and Godbluff, trying to work out why I never got into this band, hoping enlightenment would come.
At the end, all I have concluded is that Hugh Banton is a very fine keyboards player, that Guy Evans is a talented drummer but that I really cannot stand the band's music at all and that Hamill's vocals are probably the worst of any prog singer I've heard.
So what DO the band's fans see in them??? I'm missing it completely.
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I guess the only advice I can give to you is to keep listening and at some point you will probably realize that they are the best of the best.
Edited by Jmoog - July 18 2006 at 22:13
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I Adore Mellotrons
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Norbert
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Posted: July 19 2006 at 07:48 |
Last evening I was listenig to Still Life. It's definitely growing on me.  
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 19 2006 at 08:55 |
bhikkhu wrote:
Fassbinder wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
both VdGG and GG must be experienced visually to undertstand who does what in the band,
more so for VdGG >> to know how these aggressive sounds are born >> the DVD was definitely a click for me. |
On the other hand, there are plenty of people who doesn't need to see either VdGG or GG to like them... (audio experience is enough for them)... |
Right you are. I have nevever seen any video of VDGG, and only a small clip of GG. I love both bands.
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Must might he been a bit strong a word.
what I meant is that this visual approach CAN help for the understanding of the music if you are having problems with it. Certainly helped me.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Arrrghus
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Joined: July 21 2006
Location: United States
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Points: 5296
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Posted: July 22 2006 at 14:59 |
Vdgg is my favorite band. I love every album I have of theirs (I'm only missing World Record and Still Life). I love Peter's emotions and (somewhat) terrifying lyrics, Banton's bizarre organ playing, Jackson's atmospheric saxes, Evan's virtuostic drumming, their lack of any consistent guitars or basses...
Also, one doesn't need to see these guys live to love them (I was born a decade after they broke up for the final time until present). However, the video of "A Plague..." on youtube.com provided a glimpse of their live stuff (didn't care at all).
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Fassbinder
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Posted: July 24 2006 at 11:20 |
Arrrghus wrote:
Vdgg is my favorite band. I love every album I have of theirs (I'm only missing World Record and Still Life). I love Peter's emotions and (somewhat) terrifying lyrics, Banton's bizarre organ playing, Jackson's atmospheric saxes, Evan's virtuostic drumming, their lack of any consistent guitars or basses...
Also, one doesn't need to see these guys live to love them (I was born a decade after they broke up for the final time until present). However, the video of "A Plague..." on youtube.com provided a glimpse of their live stuff (didn't care at all). |
Still Life is a must for a VdGG liker. And World Record is close...
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