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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2004 at 13:35
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Before that, Karlheinz Stockhausen experimented with tape loops and electronica way back in the 1940s, as did Berio and a whole troupe of electronic avante-garde composers - so it wasn't that new.

 

Some info please? When was the tape recorder invented? When was it first commercially used?

 

I ask this because live recordings were originally made by cutting a disc (a vibrating needle into a suitable soft wax) - the legendary Benny Goodman Carnegie Concert recorded in 1938 was apparently cut onto huge 30" discs, two at a time so there was no gap in recording when one disc had to be replaced with a fresh one. (CBS issued a brilliant double CD of the complete concert in the early 90's based on this recording method). And I believe the BBC recorded a lot of its comedy shows in the 50's by cutting  discs, with tape recorders being introduced later in that decade. I also believe (but needs confirming), wire recorders were used in the 40's by the military, through the medium of magnetisable steel wire. However, Elvis Presley's earliest recordings were on tape - there was a long article a long time ago on how the recording engineers tackling the  remastering of a greatest hits CD, had a major problem due to drop-out, since the ferric powder bonded to the cellulose tape had partially fallen off. To solve the problem of  drop-out during the vocals the engineers had to go find identically sounding words or vowels or consonents remaining on the tape, copy and paste them in place digitally.

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2004 at 14:43
"remaining on the tape, copy and paste them in place digitally."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 07:16
Some info please? When was the tape recorder invented? When was it first commercially used?

In 1798
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 07:57
wait, you mean all my wax cylinders are behind the times?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 09:47
 WHAT A POLL...I DON'T KNOW TO WHOM I WOULD GIVE MY VOTE...THEIR MUSIC IS SIMPLY THE GREATEST AND THE MOST CLASSIC EVER WRITTEN IN PROG HISTORY...SO I WOULD PASS...BOTH ARE GREAT. PERIOD
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 09:55

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Some info please? When was the tape recorder invented? When was it first commercially used?

In 1798

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 10:37

.........anyway, King Crimson are better.

That's my objective, unbiased opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2004 at 12:03

I've taken the liberty to ask a professional rock historian and author to take a gander at the correspondence associated with this thread, and offer a more studied opinion. Further an author who is researching the early days of British progressive rock and written the definitive book on King Crimson, In The Court of King Crimson, i.e. Sid Smith.

This is Sid's succinct response:

When I think of ITCOKC in terms of its influence, it’s nearly always the structure and its unity of presentation that comes to mind as much as the material.  It remains a remarkably focussed piece of work; nothing dissipates its impact.  Even the circumspect and ephemeral Moonchild improvisation is an essential, coherent aspect of the album’s lucidity.  Whilst other bands limber up and develop a sense of their own identity, Crimson seemingly arrived fully-formed.  With their very first album, Crimson had refined the various cultural and social influences of the late sixties - the zeitgeist even - into a powerful, unified and original statement. 

 

In doing so, they created a blueprint that others would then adapt to their own needs and dialects; Yes, Genesis, VDGG, Gracious, etc. 

 

After their psychedelic debut, Floyd was a band in flux.  Barrett’s departure was cathartic and the upheaval is reflected in the unsettled and slightly muddled follow-up, Saucerful of Secrets.  Of course, the live Floyd was a different kettle of fish as the Massed Gadgets suite and the first album of Ummagumma ably demonstrates.  As for the studio, it’s not really until Atom Heart Mother that the whole shebang finally starts clicking into place. 

 

Putting aside whether one considers Crimson or Floyd prog (at the time we viewed Floyd as rock and Crimson as something different – prog rock as we understand it today was a term that was still someway off being invented.), I would however concede that Floyd have probably had a greater impact and influence on bands than Crimson given the huge disparity of sales between the two bands. 

 
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