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Poll Question: Is there such a genre?
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Points: 20392 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 11:20

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:


The term "Alternative Rock" was coined to describe pretty much any band that was not part of the pop scene going on at any particular time... so then I think by definition, Prog rock is Alternative...

exactly my opinion, GoldenSpiral

The first band I remember being called alternative was REM around 85 or so (REM which were also called Indie Rock since they were on a super small label). But soon, they were taking the world by storm and by the end of the decade were anything but outside the pop scene since they were leading.

The term stayed with them (REM) and started applying to all of those Britpop groups I mentioned above, since then.

And GS, you make an excellent statement : prog is alternative

But , Alternative is not prog
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Points: 21439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 11:26

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Anyway, whoever created this poll should look up the meaning of "oxymoron" and also the meaning of "contradictio in adjecto", because it is the latter he means. These two terms are often confused with each other. As someone who has been a pofessional translator for years, words literally have been my bread and butter once.

I stand corrected.

Now if we only had the new forum software I could edit the option. But to be perfectly honest: I doubt that this would make the option easier to understand ...

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Points: 976 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 11:35
Well, this is controversial. Thinking in a genre alternative progressive rock is a bad idea because this could cause the addition of alternative bands with long songs and some time signature changes, like Oasis, for example.

I think every "alternative" band that is somewhat prog should be judged alone, and fit them into one of the actual categories.
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Points: 21439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 11:38

Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Well, this is controversial. Thinking in a genre alternative progressive rock is a bad idea because this could cause the addition of alternative bands with long songs and some time signature changes, like Oasis, for example.

I think every "alternative" band that is somewhat prog should be judged alone, and fit them into one of the actual categories.

Well, if the decision to add bands were made by people who think that long songs and signature changes make something prog ... then you'd have a point.
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I don't know too much about the term alternative wich i think is very meaningless, bands like green day or limp bizquit are considered alternative so what the hell is alternative?

However, the complete term PAR, could helps to classify bands that are in the complex and too general term called Art Rock.
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Points: 606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 11:50
I think bands like TOOL and TMV are (progressive) alternative rock bands.






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Points: 830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 12:11
I Mother Earth have tons of odd Time signatures and Long songs!

They even have Alex Lifeson guest on guitar for one of their songs!

If anyone doesn't know who the hell I'm talking about pm me and I'll show you IME!!

(Their new stuff isn't as good though since they got the new singer they are more mainstream)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY
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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 18:02

I could not agree that the terms 'progressive' and 'alternative' are similar

for example, Tool have 'alternative' elements as well as prog and metal elements

Soundgarden or Nirvana can be partially classified as alternative but not prog

I believe that there can be a term 'alternative progressive rock' but I haven't heard any band that meets this term

and of course Oasis, Blur etc. are not alternative so as to be considered prog alternative or not



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Points: 21439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2006 at 18:07
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

I believe that there can be a term 'alternative progressive rock' but I haven't heard any band that meets this term

How about Dredg?
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