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Sean Trane 
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Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
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 Posted: January 26 2006 at 11:12 |
 Blacksword wrote:
I once read a review of a performance of 'McBeth' The professional journalist, who was paid for his work, simply wrote 'No' I guess he didn't like it....
I dont personally feel there should be any guidelines to how many stars one awards to an album. How 'prog' an album is may be as subjective in itself, as the emotional response it evokes in the listener. Agreed so far!!!
I would only rate an album by how much I enjoy it, I dont care how progressive it is or isn't. I'm sure there are albums out there that are so 'progressive' that I would personally find them unlistenable Tons of unlistenable progressive music albums exists that fit the unbearable category. Should I rate them highly just because they are very experimental..? 
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Of course not since experimental albums can be highly flawed.
However, Andy we ARE on a prog site and not a generalist site, and therefore such a dimension must enter the rater's reflection too.
Or else this would be just another site with no specifics.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
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timothy leary
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Joined: December 29 2005
Location: Lilliwaup, Wa.
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Posted: January 26 2006 at 11:22 |
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tough decisions glad i don`t have to make them but for someone who is
new to the site who goes to the letter g on the band index and punches
up grey eye glances and sees all those 5 star ratings even though it is
one person doing the rating they might think grey eye is better than
gentle giant they are not of course maybe 5 star ratings by one person
for one band should be limited and i realize there is a warning of only
one rating but somer who might be new might think grey eye glances are
the best prog have to offer in closing i personally don`t even thjink
grey eye glances is prog i am not a good typist so i dont review could
you imagine all the typo erros i`d be too lazy to edit in one of my
reviews
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Posted: January 26 2006 at 11:28 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I once read a review of a performance of 'McBeth' The professional journalist, who was paid for his work, simply wrote 'No' I guess he didn't like it....
I dont personally feel there should be any guidelines to how many stars one awards to an album. How 'prog' an album is may be as subjective in itself, as the emotional response it evokes in the listener. Agreed so far!!!
I would only rate an album by how much I enjoy it, I dont care how progressive it is or isn't. I'm sure there are albums out there that are so 'progressive' that I would personally find them unlistenable Tons of unlistenable progressive music albums exists that fit the unbearable category. Should I rate them highly just because they are very experimental..?
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Of course not since experimental albums can be highly flawed.
However, Andy we ARE on a prog site and not a generalist site, and therefore such a dimension must enter the rater's reflection too.
Or else this would be just another site with no specifics.
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True, but because a band is listed in our archives it must have been deemed to be progressive to some extent, when it was first added. So everything we review will of course be prog rock, however contraversial the artists inclusion may have been (Radiohead, Queen etc)
I know for a fact that I have awarded 4 or 5 stars to the Genesis albums 'Duke' and 'and then there were three' and they are barely prog, I just love the music. Perhaps my criteria is too simplistic...
Another thing to consider is modern prog bands who imitate the 'old masters' Glass Hammer is a good example. I've rated them highly, again purely because I love their songs but they are hardly pushing back the boundaries of music..
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Online
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Posted: January 26 2006 at 11:35 |
timothy leary wrote:
tough decisions glad i don`t have to make them but for someone who is new to the site who goes to the letter g on the band index and punches up grey eye glances and sees all those 5 star ratings even though it is one person doing the rating they might think grey eye is better than gentle giant . They are not, of course maybe 5 star ratings by one person for one band should be limited and i realize there is a warning of only one rating but somer who might be new might think grey eye glances are the best prog have to offer in closing i personally don`t even thjink grey eye glances is prog i am not a good typist so i dont review could you imagine all the typo erros i`d be too lazy to edit in one of my reviews |
This is exactly my point, you got to keep a sense of perspective and for that purpose, you need an extensive knowledge and a good understanding of the historical fact.
There is no way a Pendragon album (however sweet sounding and melodious it may be) comes even close to the height of the knee of SEBTP
or that the latest ELP-clone come to the waist of Egg or even Tarkus.
Sense of Perspective is what it is all about if you are to review seriously.
It may sound unfair to newer groups, but let's face it they are not breaking new grounds, just cultivating what is proven formulas.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Online
Points: 20392
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Posted: January 27 2006 at 08:30 |
Further comments?
Mike's thread is an excellent topic.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
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Joined: April 22 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 21439
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Posted: January 27 2006 at 09:25 |
^ thanks!
And so far the votes show that opinions really are divided on the subject, with a small preference to a mixture of both. I like that, and it's also my opinion.
But I don't think that it should be 50/50 if that means that a non prog album can only score 2.5 stars (=3 stars) at most. Cut one star off the maximum rating if you feel that the album is not prog, that's my strategy.
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Online
Points: 20392
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Posted: January 27 2006 at 09:32 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ thanks!
And so far the votes show that opinions really are divided on the subject, with a small preference to a mixture of both. I like that, and it's also my opinion.
But I don't think that it should be 50/50 if that means that a non prog album can only score 2.5 stars (=3 stars) at most. Cut one star off the maximum rating if you feel that the album is not prog, that's my strategy.
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Close to mine (strategy), which comes down to saying a non-prog album can only get four stars at max!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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