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horza
Prog Reviewer
Joined: August 31 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 14:26 |
I downloaded Opeth - liked what i heard - bought two concert tickets - bought the t-shirt - spread the word
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Catholic Flame
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Joined: September 17 2005
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 14:37 |
prog-chick wrote:
con safo wrote:
Yes but some bands would have little to no chance of selling their albums if it wasnt for internet publicity, so they have alot to gain as well.
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publicity is different from having your music stolen. Get over the publicity thing.
@ Catholic Flame. To take something that is copywrited, and sell it in this way (even at low prices) is AGAINST copywrite law, therefore ilegal.
There is NO justification for downloading music from a site unethically. I have not heard one argument for this practise that is not just weak reasoning to create a conscience clearer.
It is a fact that it is damaging to business, to livliehoods, and to the continuation of bands that we love. It is extremely damaging to folk who make music.
PLEASE DON'T DO IT!
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But the point is it is not illegal. They are not breaking the laws in Russia. The import to the US is not illegal.
Legal and ethical are two seperate issues. What is legal is not always just and justice is not always legal.
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“Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion.”
~Jack Kerouac
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Wilcey
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 15:07 |
ok, someone I know has had his music uploaded onto this russian site, where it is being sold to folk all over the world. Legal action and advice has been sought, it IS illegal, and steps are being taken.
but it is like a bush fire, put one out, another springs up.
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Catholic Flame
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 15:16 |
prog-chick wrote:
ok, someone I know has had his music uploaded onto this russian site, where it is being sold to folk all over the world. Legal action and advice has been sought, it IS illegal, and steps are being taken.
but it is like a bush fire, put one out, another springs up.
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Is the import illegal in the UK?
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“Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion.”
~Jack Kerouac
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goose
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Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 15:18 |
I'd expect export, rather than import would be illegal.
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Wilcey
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 15:24 |
to up load copywrite material for commercial or file share downloading is illegal without the permission of the copywrite owner. To download said material is illegal in some countries, not in others.
The whole practice is unethical & morally wrong.
The practice has become SO common place tho, that there is a generation of computer kids who think that it is ok cos others do it too, for who the culture of downloading is so commonplace that they have probably not asked themselves questions about this practice. I am on a bit of a crusade, I will acknowledge that. I do know I am annoying folk whole heartedly, But I do feel that this is an important issue, and one that folk should understand. Ignorance is no defence, but is more defence than blatant theft. Really it's the blatant thieves that get my goat, the rest just need informing!
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Catholic Flame
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 15:30 |
goose wrote:
I'd expect export, rather than import would be illegal. |
Export from Russia to another country or the Russian site importing the music for distribution?
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“Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion.”
~Jack Kerouac
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Catholic Flame
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 15:32 |
prog-chick wrote:
to up load copywrite material for commercial or file share downloading is illegal without the permission of the copywrite owner. To download said material is illegal in some countries, not in others.
The whole practice is unethical & morally wrong.
The practice has become SO common place tho, that there is a generation of computer kids who think that it is ok cos others do it too, for who the culture of downloading is so commonplace that they have probably not asked themselves questions about this practice. I am on a bit of a crusade, I will acknowledge that. I do know I am annoying folk whole heartedly, But I do feel that this is an important issue, and one that folk should understand. Ignorance is no defence, but is more defence than blatant theft. Really it's the blatant thieves that get my goat, the rest just need informing!
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You certainly have every right to launch a crusade on a subject that you feel strongly about!
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“Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion.”
~Jack Kerouac
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Wilcey
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 15:46 |
I would rather indulge in some prog gossip to be honest, but when this subject comes up......... so do my hackles!
But thanks for your comment! 
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