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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 20:12

If DSOTM is overrated, wher does that leave the truly appalling prog metal?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 20:23
I can name a whole bunch of prog metal albums that are better than DSOTM, if you like.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 20:41
Rust, I will comment on Speak to Me. Years and years ago I read from an illustrated history book on Pink Floyd (there's no way I could remember the title of the book)that Roger Waters stated "Nick Mason was not even in the f**king room when I wrote that (Speak to Me)". I don't know what's the truth on this though, but in a way I have to say that it makes sense.
Mason was often credited for sound effects and the only other composition by him I can think of from the whole Floyd catalogue is his participation on Ummagumma, which is not much of a composition either. I find it perfectly possible that Waters made this sonic collage/trailer as well, because he was the main creative force on this album and he knew what he wanted to say with it.
So, if it was only credited for Mason, but in truth also put together by Waters, it was out of pure solidarity and undoubtedly increased Mason's bank account significantly. Mason didn't receive any song writing royalties from the Floyd albums like all the other members, because... well, because he couldn't write, I suppose. Nick is known to be Roger's closest (only?) friend in the band. As for Waters later revealing he was behind this track as well, not Mason who got the credit, well... not very solidary of him anymore.
I agree that Speak to Me brings the listener in nicely. Also I am not aware of any other album beginning with a sonic collage/trailer of what is to come later on the whole piece. Whoever "wrote" it, had a perception there!
It's a good point about the b-side of the album being a variation on blues, I had never realized it that way (and still I am not sure if I agree 100 %). It's true that the chord changes are typical for blues (Waters always uses conventional chord changes, which doesn't bother me), but yet it doesn't sound like blues, which is an accomplishment in itself! (Not that I would hate blues or anything.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2005 at 23:29

Why is it that people ignorantly assume that all prog metal sounds the same?

I used to think that DSOTM was overrated but then I took the stick out of my ass.  It's a great album, just leave it at that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 03:59
Originally posted by ldlanberg ldlanberg wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

It's a very important album.

Yes, I know. If I'm not mistaken DSOTM was the first non-addicting sleep medicine.

Waaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!

My god, r u insane?????, I use DSotM as one of my choices for pre-coitial activities.

P.S.  These 'this sucks, that sucks' kind of threads are kind of funny.... My sence of humour is warped enough to actually find it enjoyable      

I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 07:14

Originally posted by Six Eight Six Eight wrote:

I can name a whole bunch of prog metal albums that are better than DSOTM, if you like.

*Gasp!!!*

Oh my aching sides!!!!

That's the funniest thing I've read in ages!!!!!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 07:21

^ the term "better than" needs proper definition. I could name 10 prog metal albums that I'd prefer over DSOTM, but I would not call them "better than" DSOTM.

  • Amplifier - Amplifier
  • Edge of Sanity - Crimson
  • Fantomas - Fantomas
  • The Gathering - How to Measure a Planet?
  • Heaven's Cry - Primal Power Addiction
  • Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
  • Psychotic Waltz - A Social Grace
  • Symphony X - V
  • Tool - Lateralus
  • Devin Townsend - Terria

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 11:10
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Six Eight Six Eight wrote:

I can name a whole bunch of prog metal albums that are better than DSOTM, if you like.

*Gasp!!!*

Oh my aching sides!!!!

That's the funniest thing I've read in ages!!!!!!!!



Well, we all know things get funnier (and more intelligent) when you add a pile of exclamation marks.

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Thinking it's boring does not qualify it as overrated.

In my opinion, everyone that has said that DSOTM is overrated doesn't understand it.

And therefore does not understand prog rock.



I thought that was pretty comical too, particularly the last line, so we're even. One album = entire genre of music, right?

I guess better in general was probably a bad way to put it, but I know there are a bunch that I consider better personally. To pick ten, as done above me:

Dream Theater - Images and words
Dream Theater - Awake
Dream Theater - Scenes from a memory
Opeth - Ghost reveries
Pain of Salvation - Entropia
Pain of Salvation - The perfect element, part one
Symphony X - The damnation game
Symphony X - V
Liquid Tension Experiment - Liquid Tension Experiment
Liquid Tension Experiment - Liquid Tension Experiment 2
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2005 at 11:52
I think it's one of worst famous prog albums, created to get a target: make Pink Floyd rich.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 17:36

Originally posted by magog magog wrote:

I think it's one of worst famous prog albums, created to get a target: make Pink Floyd rich.

Have you not read anything from this thread? We already pointed out how Pink Floyd did not intend on "getting rich" they just happen to find what the masses were looking for. They were already leading up the Darkside in their previous albums and this album was innevitable. They were already doing very well in Europe, and doing ok in America so they had they had many fans already, but no one or even them would predict the success of the album and the band over the next 30 years.

Did the album's success get to thier heads? A little

Was it good that it got to thier heads? Hell yes, just listen to WYWH and Animals.

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What we need is awareness we cant get careless
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Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 18:18

this therad is just useless

La Speranza della coscienza è forza
La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù
La Speranza del corpo è malattia
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2005 at 18:28
Walking through my home town (quite a small place) a few weeks ago, there was a queue of traffic blocking the narrow street which was otherwise busy with shoppers. Suddenly this deafening racket made everybody jump; little old ladies dropped their shopping bags in fright at what sounded like alarm bells going off everywhere.

Turned out it was some rich kid in a flash open-top car waiting at the lights, playing DSOTM on his car stereo at full blast - and he'd just got to "Time".

Laugh - I nearly wet myself!
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