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    Posted: November 22 2005 at 12:15

Throughout the history of music before rock became very popular in the 60's, there were not many british musicians that were really at the top of the scale (In the exception of Benjamin Britten and George Handel, which was actually german but lived most his life in london... But still no british composer could be compared with Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Bach, Schuman ect...).

The best and most famous classical composers were German, Austrian, Italian and from other european countries. There were very few significantly important british musicians, but then rock music was born, and throught the history of rock the most important and influential geniuses were british....

 

HOW COME? Why did all the british geniuses have to wait until the 60's?

 

What do you think?  



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 12:39
The post-war society in England at the time, maybe?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 12:48
I dunno!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 13:02

Erm well Inthink it was the culture if you look at Europe during the late 17th C and 18th C many places suchas Germany and Austria were considered bastions of high brow culture and taste this includes music as you siad we had a few but have only in the last century and a bit got the recognition they deserve plus it was in our mind to take up and classical composeres we were more interrested in beating the french and building the empire on opium and drug dealing (plus many other samller factors such as many of te composers were wroking for the church and big names as there patrons which us Brits weren't to interested in etc).

Late 60's wise it was post war, the 'teenager' had been created as we know it who had disposable income and the effect the USA had on us both during the war and post war we took their blues, liked it and along with the likes of Elvis and Buddy Holly were able to devlop our own musca and musical style which then cmae to dominate the 'western music establishment'.

I know its not a complete history but i dont have time to research plus im sorry it sounds a little geeky but im a second year history student and have study/studying these epoches of history.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 13:11

Every now and then in history you get a string of geniuses (although we shouldn't be too hasty to call them that) within pretty close confines. Nobody really knows why this phenomenon happens, maybe it's that the environment at the time encourages these movements, but it has taken place on several occasions. For example, during the Golden Age of Athens you had people like Socrates, Plato, Democritus, Aristotle, Pythagoras, Sophocles, Euripedes, and Aristophanes, all in a town of maybe 10,000 people and all within 3 generations of each other. You could say that the American Revolution also had some serious brainprower behind it: people like Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, and James Madison were all fiercely intellectual. Every now and then you just get one of those periods where an unnatural amount of gifted people appear and make massive changes, and I suppose it was the case for prog in the 70s in Britain.

The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 13:28

Oh, you're not joking???

Comparing the "genius" of any rock band with the likes of Beethoven is misplaced, to say the least. Not one rock band has an entire back catalogue that could reasonably compare with Beethoven's 9th, Bach's B Minor mass or Mozart's Requiem.

And you're forgetting the fantastic British composers such as Byrd and Gibbons (who both pre-date Bach and the Italian composers), and the likes of Purcell.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 13:36
Well, I think I can give an explanation, I'm a history student and I think I have a pretty solod theory. But man, typing al that out would take half an hour or so, so I might post it later on when I have the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 14:03
Benny Hill and the Wurzels led the post-war revival of

music in Britain - it has to be admitted that they dont

possess the back-catalogue of people such as Dollar and

Bucks Fizz though




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 14:58
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Oh, you're not joking???

Comparing the "genius" of any rock band with the likes of Beethoven is misplaced, to say the least. Not one rock band has an entire back catalogue that could reasonably compare with Beethoven's 9th, Bach's B Minor mass or Mozart's Requiem.

And you're forgetting the fantastic British composers such as Byrd and Gibbons (who both pre-date Bach and the Italian composers), and the likes of Purcell.

No one's comparing Beethoven to rock. Please explain to me how you understood from what I said that I am comparing between beethoven and rock? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2005 at 15:26
Originally posted by TheLamb TheLamb wrote:

Throughout the history of music before rock became very popular in the 60's, there were not many british musicians that were really at the top of the scale (In the exception of Benjamin Britten and George Handel, which was actually german but lived most his life in london... But still no british composer could be compared with Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Bach, Schuman ect...).

The best and most famous classical composers were German, Austrian, Italian and from other european countries. There were very few significantly important british musicians, but then rock music was born, and throught the history of rock the most important and influential geniuses were british....

 

HOW COME? Why did all the british geniuses have to wait until the 60's?

 

What do you think?  

 

It reads as if you're saying that there were these Genius composers around in Europe hundreds of years ago, and the only time Britain had Genius composers was in the 1960s.

The overriding implication is clear to me that you're saying that Rock musicians are Genius composers at the same level as the European masters.

And you overlooked the Genius of Byrd, Gibbons, Tallis, Weelkes, Dowland et al.

What did you actually mean?



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