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    Posted: March 27 2025 at 16:40
It seems a liitle bit odd to me that Keef Hartley Band is not included in PA . If Colosseum and Chicago are , then KHB should be also there , at least in Prog-related or Crossover prog. Look forward to the explanation .
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^ They were suggested (by yourself) in October 2005 (along with the jazz-rock band 'IF'), April 2006, again in May 2006, and finally in September 2008. IF made it here, but the Keef Hartley Band didn't, though reading through those threads I don't think anyone who responded was actually opposed to them being here.

Two Special Collaborators even went as far as preparing a biography for the band in December 2006 - in a thread within the collaborator zone called 'Bands Being Added By Spec Collaborators'. The main guy who prepared the biography hasn't logged in since July 2023, so may have disappeared for good now, but this is what he said at the time: "I've written a biography on my PC for Keef Hartley Band who have been on the 'bands to add' list for a while under 'jazz rock'. I shall hold off for a bit before adding though, and see if the jazz rock team are OK with the addition. The albums will be a real minefield - no album has the same line-up!! LOL" .

It seems that the band was on the JR/F list of artists to evaluate from October 2007 until June 2010, but it appears that no formal evaluation was ever carried out, and eventually the leader of the team at that time wrote in the thread: "I was somewhat reluctant to include Keef Hartley, hearing his earlier solo albums to be derivative of John Mayall's jazz blues/brass groups".

However, in the last of the suggestions here in the public forums (the September 2008 one), two Special Collaborators who are still active here both thought that the Keef Hartley Band would at least be worth a place in Prog Related, and one of them is now an admin. We already have a biography available in the collab zone, so that route of getting the band included would seem to be an easy one to follow. It's whether or not a formal evaluation by the JR/F team is worth pursuing before going down the Prog Related route.

I suspect that the fairly strong blues element evident in much of the band's music might prevent them getting the nod in JR/F, however.



Edit: Proggnosis have them at least - categorised on that site as Early Progressive (Prog).

I suppose some listening links would be a good idea:









All the albums are on Spotify.



Edited by yam yam - March 27 2025 at 22:24
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Thank you for prompt and elaborate answer.
 I understand that some of your colleagues are reluctant to induct Keef Hartley Band in PA due to their roots in John Mayall's blues workshop, but wasn't it the same with Colosseum ?
Their debut album certainly has bluesy moments, but as they were moving on they parted from blues pattern towards more jazzy stuff .
Regarding some doubts of JR/F specialist, I suggest to listen to their number called " Theme song / Enroute / Theme Song Reprise / " from "Overdog" album - Prog by it's definition .
However,I sincerely hope, since I'm 70, to see KHB in PA just wishing to live long enough to see that happenWink

All the best to whole Prog Archives Team !



Edited by bsurmano - Yesterday at 10:45
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^ Lol! I'll be 70 in a few months time too, so I echo your sentiments there! LOL

It might be worth editing your topic title to include JR/F (perhaps with a question mark after it) so that the team will be able to spot that it's possibly something for their attention. If you don't though, if there are no other responses here within the next few days I'll drop a note in their team thread. Smile
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

However, in the last of the suggestions here in the public forums (the September 2008 one), two Special Collaborators who are still active here both thought that the Keef Hartley Band would at least be worth a place in Prog Related, and one of them is now an admin.


Just to clarify, when I wrote HERE, "I see that the site has become more tolerant of blues rock since then, which I think is excellent. Based on what I've heard (just on the qualities of the music), I would think at least Related, anyway. I think PR would be better than Proto due to the time-frame" I simply meant that I had found music that sounded at least Prog related, but it takes more than that to get into Prog Related. I was not very familiar with the act and know no more about it now. I checked out some music due to the topic. When I was on the Eclectic team, for instance,, I commonly would vote Related when I found the music to be at least proggy (I know some hate that term), but that did not mean I thought it necessarily should be included in Prog Related. It meant that I thought the music had some progressive merits commonly. Anyway, we'll see what the JRF team now thinks.

Edited by Logan - March 28 2025 at 11:02
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^ Thanks for clarifying that, Greg. My bad for not pointing out myself that music that sounded Prog Related didn't guarantee that the band would automatically find a home in that category, and thus being guilty of raising Berislav's hopes prematurely. Embarrassed If JR/F don't want the band then we still have to put together a convincing case for their inclusion in PR based on their influence on other acts, etc, etc.
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^ No worries, David. If we added every act with music that sounded like it had some relation to Prog then this site would become much more like General Music Archives than some complain it already too much is.
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^ Lol! Indeed it would! LOL

The Keef Hartley Band came within a whisker of being added by an SC with the member title of 'Content Addition' at the end of 2006, but I think the genre teams were just being established around about that time, so he held off with his addition.

My only concern now is that this music isn't really jazz-rock/fusion being played primarily using rock instruments, but more akin to blues music with the jazzy aspects being mostly embellishments added using various horns (similar in style to what used to be referred to as 'brass rock'). I'm not at all convinced that the current JR/F team will buy it.
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The Time is Near for the Keef Hartley Band - a consistently good Funk Rock band from Preston in Lancashire. It may be Not Foolish Not Wise of me to say this, but the Keef Hartley band are like the British version of Blood, Sweat & Tears., only better! Smile
 
4 stars 1969: Keef Hartley Band - The Battle of North West Six - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjZnpDlBzipIbjWANq6r_05phfYVURswn
4 stars 1970: Keef Hartley Band - John Peel Sunday Concert - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR34dLJAAWM&t=2s
4 stars 1971: Keef Hartley Band - Little Big Band - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jj7popN-V4
4 stars 1972: Keef Hartley Band - Seventy Second Brave - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q58JPQJmg70
 

Meanwhile, in Mick & Keef's Corner Shop, they have a surprise visit by Jack Nicholson! Geek
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