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"If there's not drama and negativity in my life, all my songs will be really wack and boring or something" (Eminem).

One might uncharitably infer from that there is not nearly enough drama and negativity in his life.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2024 at 14:21
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

"If there's not drama and negativity in my life, all my songs will be really wack and boring or something" (Eminem).

One might uncharitably infer from that there is not nearly enough drama and negativity in his life.


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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

^ Hey, John! You'll no doubt be pleased to know I've actually been blocked on other sites by users because of Harlan.

You know, the usual derision, my rebuttal, they throw out more crap about HE (while admitting they've never actually read him) and how he was a "troll," etc., etc.

When I try to actually cultivate a narrative, they shut down. Bugf*ck!

Art Zoyd = Richard Ramirez? What now?


Hahahahaha! Omg...that is insane! All over Harlan? But I guess I'm not surprised anymore...anything goes I suppose? Wow that is truly anal though not unlike Mayslanding, New Jersey where people act as if John Fogerty is the next messiah. Or that Swamp Rock should be practiced 10 hours a day..Its not Mozart or Paganini..its Swamp Rock... 😃


Tragicomic! Any time I catch a glimmer of anything CCR-related, I'm like

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Tragicomic! Any time I catch a glimmer of anything CCR-related, I'm like

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That's hilarious! 😃 😀 😄

I had to work for someone like that once. I kept thinking at rehearsal.."Why are you treating John Fogerty like he's Keith Emerson?" That's the night I bailed out. I went quietly. I should have said..."The Civil War called..they found your diary"
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Eminem is a genius, and he's correct that drama & negativity is integral to an artist's work.   Do you have to suffer to be a great artist?   Not necessarily, but it absolutely makes a difference.




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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Eminem is a genius, and he's correct that drama & negativity is integral to an artist's work.   Do you have to suffer to be a great artist?   Not necessarily, but it absolutely makes a difference.

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^ You got that right, bubba.
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:



Tragicomic! Any time I catch a glimmer of anything CCR-related, I'm like

{GIF}


That's hilarious! 😃 😀 😄

I had to work for someone like that once. I kept thinking at rehearsal.."Why are you treating John Fogerty like he's Keith Emerson?" That's the night I bailed out. I went quietly. I should have said..."The Civil War called..they found your diary"



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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:



Tragicomic! Any time I catch a glimmer of anything CCR-related, I'm like

{GIF}


That's hilarious! 😃 😀 😄

I had to work for someone like that once. I kept thinking at rehearsal.."Why are you treating John Fogerty like he's Keith Emerson?" That's the night I bailed out. I went quietly. I should have said..."The Civil War called..they found your diary"





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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Eminem is a genius, and he's correct that drama & negativity is integral to an artist's work.   Do you have to suffer to be a great artist?   Not necessarily, but it absolutely makes a difference.


Hi,

It can be, and it might be and then again, maybe not. Some folks write within their experience, and others write from without. And regardless of how they do this, in many ways, we are still attracted to this or that person ... no one stops reading AEPoe because of the drugs. No one stops reading Rimbaud because of ... no one stops reading De Sade because it was written with/from poop. 

But there are times when these things hurt ... and the artist pays for it ... let's not talk about a few Spaniards that were put down because of what they wrote, and they were not the only ones. Some actors and directors and artists were also put down. 

Greatness, is a tough thing ... I imagine that it is grossly overrated, but there are times when it comes out really well and strong ... and we know some things from it ... I mean, can you really just think that Guernica is just an idea in a man's head? All the man had to do was look outside his window and see body parts all over the street ... and the same thing happened later in almost all of Europe, a lot of which was hidden, but has surfaced in a lot of film materials over the years, specially in France, where things were specially confusing as folks tried hard to survive troops going left, and then troops going right from the opposite camps!

It's easy to say that drama is a part of life ... I simply say, it's life, regardless.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2024 at 10:11
^Interesting perspective, and well-said.   Life is indeed life, and if you don't live the harsh parts as well as the great parts, you miss out on a profound dimension of it.







Edited by Atavachron - May 27 2024 at 10:12
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People in life become fixated on pursuing advantages and its basically the side to life I don't like dealing with. There's no real need for selfish behavior and damage to others to exist. It's how musicians end up getting the sh*t end of the stick.

It doesn't always have a lot to do with music. Sometimes it reveals the worse scenario for a band because of sexual promiscuity. Peter Banks revealed the damage in store for everyone. If musicians just came with a book of instructions. Like..."Leave this one be" "This one is anti social and as a filthy rich manager I am going to accommodate he or she.

Did a bell ever ring in a record executive's head telling them that they'd make one hell of a better profit if they just left the artist alone? Let the artist do their work. It's always the same old song and dance. They have to hang in the recording studio and make suggestions and many times ..( for decades)..it just didn't work. A talented artist would turn out a contrived album because of the record company.

Think about the pressure that Capitol Records put on Brian Wilson when he was recording SMILE ...back in 66' and 67'. Some of the music was odd..I get it. Capitol had invested in the band and now it's leader wanted to hire a poet and write strange songs. "Wind Chimes' and "Wonderful" or "Surf's Up" ...the Elements Suite which was more avant in areas and instead of having appreciation for an art they worried about money. IF they had left Wilson alone or IF they had been supportive of his ideas..or enthusiastic there would have been a good possibility that SMILE would have been received the Sgt. Pepper treatment by the youth....and they could have made a million by being honest instead of dishonest.

Jimi Hendrix wanted to make Purple Haze an album side. He wanted it to be like a mini opera. The record company wouldn't allow that. The song ended up being 3 or 4 minutes. He came close to what he wanted on "1983..A MERMAN I SHALL TURN TO BE..but he even complained about Electric Ladyland revealing how he was a bit restricted in places. Why? I mean...I don't trust the reasoning behind that.

The artist works really hard at becoming skilled at writing and playing. Possibly since childhood. They create innovative music on their own. That's what the fans want. That's what fans were willing to pay for and the record companies come along and completely screw it up. And as a result...the band's second and third album sounds too much like their first. Why? Because they left things out. New ideas which would have made them sound different or unique...but because the first album had success the record company wanted them to repeat that sequence instead of being honest.

Billy Joel and Laura Nyro were able to turn out hit records without trying to repeat their first album or a certain type of formula or style. Every one of their albums being different and not some cheap contrived idea to repeat the past. What they wrote was inspired not contrived. It's sad that the music business had to be this way. John Lennon and Paul McCartney seemed to write what they felt. Songs like "I'm A Loser", "Baby's In Black", "Help", "I've Just Seen A Face", "Norwegian Wood" all became internationally popular and the record company were beyond pleased. But the fact remains that those songs were unusual for the times. They were a little Dylan and Byrds influenced..but they were very original. With the exception of personal
assistance from the magnificent George Martin... no one in the industry seemed to be pressuring the Beatles to change their music.

Edited by Jacob Schoolcraft - May 29 2024 at 15:08
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