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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20438 |
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Hi guys , I wrote a scorching review last night and posted it this morning, but I'd like to open up a subject about shady record label! Actually I had already done this in the collab zone , but I'd like to get a few other opinions: First the review that prompted this rant of mine:
SOFT MACHINE "Facelift" ![]() The worst part of this hoax is that there is available almost the same concert (on a different night of the tour but with similar set list) called Virtually and Noisette both with a pristine sound on artist-friendly Cuneiform record label - as opposed to the murky sound taken from a bad cassette recorder in the crowd as this junk. I do not mind spending a bit of cash to review expandable but correct albums from great artistes like Soft Machine, but here I have a feeling that outside having rented it to make this horrendous review to warn the planet (I hope) to stay away from such a pile of crap as this “release”. I have a hard time understanding how Brian Hopper (Hugh’s brother) actually wrote the liner notes and can still look at himself in the mirror after that. Well he does warn you in those famous first words…. Another real rip off is that those disc actually last around 40 minutes each and with ac little editing (diminishing the length of the applause for example) the whole thing could’ve been stashed on a single disc. But if you are going to rip-off someone, you might as well do a full scam than half of one, right? M@X , if I provide you with a receipt for the rental of this double album , do I get a refund from the ProgArchives and you put it down as professional expenses? I will not even count my precious time wasted and the aural damages by the shoddy sound. STAY AWAYYYYYYYYYY from this one! And now the text I wrote for the thread in the collab section:
I have encountered throughout my 30 years of listening to music , many doubtful releases both on vinyl and Cd. I'd like to stick to CDs and only so-called legit labels. In the early 90's , a sh*tload of labels put out those 70's oeuvre in a quick and rather rough manner, not really respecting the oeuvre either. This is why some people are now buying the record for the third time. I could eventually speak of the Majors - such as Virgin with the partial artwork reproductions of Genesis, VDGG and TD covers - with the music simply transferred to Cd format , but this is not where I want to get at! I am speaking of smaller independant labels (see the list below and the comments I have for them) that were so-called more respectful of the artistes. Some did an outstanding job (Musea , Repertoire and Cuneiform come to mind immediately) , but others did not. Among which:
Any other firms that are offenders to artist integrity? Any thoughts on this? Edited by Sean Trane |
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Eetu Pellonpaa ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
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There's always somebody doing profit without morale or standards in business, and that is sad. Therefore people should do some research before buying albums. I must admit that I have enjoyed some bootlegs though. There are some interesting concert recordings, which are not officially released. But many artists like Zappa and Fripp have realised that they lose money, if they do not make official releases from these recordings, and they have released those by themselves. But these are a bit different issue, than the junk albums you mentioned in your post. |
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Tonny Larz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 26 2004 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 118 |
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Hi Hugues.....a very good topic (and well written) in think that there are many more companies /labels, whom are there for the money only, with bad sounding releases....missing tracklists.... misleading information...etc.etc.! well, you about cover it in your topic,maybe it could lead to a "Approach with caution" list ?? And mind you, some of the well established record companies has something to learn about quality and respect for both artist and consumer...when spitting out back catalogue! Tonny Larz. |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20438 |
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Excellent idea of yours Tony , of this Approach With Caution list , but it better not be seen by the names on that list just in case they got good lawyers. Yes , back catalogues re-issues were simply denigrated at the end of the 80's , but now is not that much better when they expect us to buy the remasters with added bonus tracks etc.... Most of those bonus tracks are alternate takes , single versions or live version or even shoddy demos. I do not want to have a name and shame list (well maybe a bit |
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Tonny Larz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 26 2004 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 118 |
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Right you are, Hugues.....a good point, lawyer wise...ha..ha !! But there must be someone else outhere along with all you PROGARCHIVE freaks...whom had a bad experience with this or that cd which you bought, expecting good sound and relevant information in the booklet...but were greatly disappointet !! Well here´s youre chance to tell us about it !! Feel free. Peace!! |
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Politician ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 02 2005 Status: Offline Points: 521 |
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Some of the more reputable labels get up to unforgivable things too.
Take Musea's reissue of the first EQUILIBRIO VITAL album: for no obvious reason, they omitted one of the long tracks on side one and tacked on a few recent demos that have nothing whatsoever to do with the original LP. |
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goose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
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There was another SM one... Kings of Canterbury(?) that sounded bloody awful. Same label as released all the Ozric Tentacles onto disc, but I forget the name.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20438 |
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I do not mean to take swipe at fine artist-friendly labels such as Musea and Cuneiform, Inside out , Record Heaven or even Magna Carta, etc...... they do such a fine job! |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20438 |
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thought I'd bump this off, after I posted on Jim 's thread about GonG
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