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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45640 |
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LaBrie is hardly the worst singer in progressive metal, but being one of the most famous, he gets the most flak. |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43413 |
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Well said! It's a perfect example of the Tall Poppy Syndrome, where talented individuals who stand out by achieving success are often subjected to unfair criticism and resentment.
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21307 |
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Ian Anderson's current singing is awful, just can't hit the notes and tries reaching for them. Was wonderful previously but walked out of his last show halfway through as it was too painful to hear.
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52602 |
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That's pretty neat and thanks for sharing that. I once played around with auto-tune stuff back in 2005 because I liked the watery/warbly effect it made. I can't sing worth sh*t, so this gives me some ideas. I'm likely to use it to make my singing even worse than it already is, and I would do that on purpose. Sort of like trying to make it sound like I'm singing from inside a burrito or a bag of pretzels.
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Floydoid ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2007 Location: Planet Prog Status: Offline Points: 1894 |
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Dare I mention Bob Dylan - for all his genius as a musician and seminal composer... his singing always sounds slightly off key to me.
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Is it any wonder that the monkey's confused?
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18063 |
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Hi, I think there are other things at play here. Bob is known to get bored and change the lyrics, so changing with his moods and "singing" it whichever way he wants each night is no big deal for him. This was one of the reasons why in the late 60's and early 70's Bob's bootlegs were so huge ... everything was different in one way or another. So, expecting him to "sing" something within a style/idea that we want to see, isn't going to happen. Bob sings/speaks his lyrics in whatever way they make sense for him. That would be something vastly different than not being able to sing.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21307 |
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I agree, Bob is being Bob, he's performing what he wants to perform & we appreciate it or not. I know a lot of people don't like his singing but he's the artist.
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Ian
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Tapfret ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8617 |
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Anyone bashing Yoko will need to turn in their pans.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21586 |
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It's not unfair. A singer either hits the notes or not, it's not a matter of taste or opinion.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21586 |
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There' an objective component to the criticism (he sings out of tune) as well as a subjective (I like it or I don't like it). The fact that he's BOB DYLAN doesn't change the former.
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Floydoid ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2007 Location: Planet Prog Status: Offline Points: 1894 |
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I totally agree. |
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Is it any wonder that the monkey's confused?
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18063 |
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Hi, Bob is not the only one that sings out of tune and makes it work. Neil Young is another. Robert Wyatt is another. Out of tune is based on one musical design ... and in many other cultures, where they also have music, they sing differently than the conventions we think, and expect, to define what singing is! Sometimes it is easier to say Mick Jagger can't sing as well, but he is excellent at telling you what his words mean and stand for ... and you don't forget it! Reminds me of a comment in Robert Wyatt's book about Syd ... when a guitarist involved in the 2nd album, asks Robert what key Syd was in. Robert's reply? He don't know the chords or the keys ... he just plays! Music, is much more than what we think it should be! Edited by moshkito - January 12 2024 at 10:28 |
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duchamp ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2023 Location: the north pole Status: Offline Points: 73 |
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The concept of a "bad musician" is subjective, you can't really treat your opinion as a objective fact.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21586 |
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^ Some of it is opinion, some is not. A musician either hits a note, or not. Sometimes sloppiness can be intentional, I can grant that. I've heard the claim that Yoko Ono does not sing, but that it is "avant-garde screaming". In which case I guess anything goes. But even then, it is BAD SINGING. She has, to my knowledge, not demonstrated that she can sing well. That sets here apart from accomplished vocalists, like for instance Mike Patton, who can scream and growl atonaly but then also sing perfectly clean, hitting every note precisely as it is intended.
TL;DR: Yes, she is still a bad singer/musician. Feel free to point me to a recording which you think demonstrates otherwise.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18063 |
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HIi, I'm not sure why we are so disappointed, and consider it bad/incorrect when someone does something intentionally, as appears the case to be with Yoko. One forgets in the 60's, for example, film had a scene called "anti-film" that many directors took part in, and the idea was to break down, and through all the conventions that film had which could be found ... the idea was that something else will appear, and it does, but, the "results" are not something that we could possibly expect. And Godard, never tired of having fun at our expense! Theater had its Pinter and Beckett and others ... that went out on a limb ... how about cigarette smoke rings, being "dialogue" within a play? Likewise, a lot of music in the late 60's also ran into the "anti-music" idea by being completely different with a lot of counter everything in it, and many of these groups we actually like and discuss ... but in some ways, they come off as "academic" as opposed to just right out in the open. Heck, I know some folks that thought Dagmar couldn't sing a note either! I kinda think that we have this idea that if it doesn't fit the mold it is WRONG. IN the realm of the arts ... "wrong" has been its creator for hundreds and hundreds of years ... why are we so against it now? Yeah ... it's Yoko's fault ... (what a name for a group!!!) I suppose that it could be said that Yoko is doing something similar, and there are times when it seems to reach levels that we consider bad in the realms of singing. My question is ... if it is NOT singing, how can we value it as "bad"?
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21586 |
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I'm sorry, it's simply bad. If you are one of those people who cannot ever criticise any artist, well, I won't comment any further since that will lead us down the road of anger and name-calling. Or let's say it in the words of my favorite TV series:
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21586 |
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Or consider these lyrics by the late, great Kevin Gilbert:
"And we're gonna play the new Madonna where she rips a fart And then stand around talking about why it's art" It's not automatically art (or good) just because you say it is.
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12419 |
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^Why Madonna?
Edited by Saperlipopette! - January 15 2024 at 07:09 |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21586 |
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^ That's not too bad! It's drawn out too long for my taste, and the avant-garde part in the middle seems contrived, but it's the best I've heard from Yoko so far.
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