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(God this website is pure KRAPPP!!!!!! The only site on the WWW that gives me "Permission Denied" over and over and over.....Then try and post comment and it does not work, I have to refresh like 100x Angry)

And JD asked for no technobabble talk, some just can't keep their panties on LOL!!!

I've said before if I was a classical music listener I would probably be 100% digital due to the low dynamic passages. But even still if you listen to a live show those low level dynamic passages still have noise (moving chairs, people coughing, sneezing, talking.....musicians moving about flipping pages and so on) If you don't hear those things then it's not a live recording or normal experience.

I have records that are 40+ yrs old and they still sound great and any surface noise I might hear does not bother me, but that's me.......I know of people who lose their sh*t when they hear a tick...LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2023 at 19:20
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

(God this website is pure KRAPPP!!!!!! The only site on the WWW that gives me "Permission Denied" over and over and over.....Then try and post comment and it does not work, I have to refresh like 100x Angry)

And JD asked for no technobabble talk, some just can't keep their panties on LOL!!!
Yes I did, but I knew damn well it would be all some people would fall back to.


Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I've said before if I was a classical music listener I would probably be 100% digital due to the low dynamic passages. But even still if you listen to a live show those low level dynamic passages still have noise (moving chairs, people coughing, sneezing, talking.....musicians moving about flipping pages and so on) If you don't hear those things then it's not a live recording or normal experience.
Now that kind of 'noise' I can deal with, mostly because it helps put me in the audience and I wouldn't consider it to be distortion

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I have records that are 40+ yrs old and they still sound great and any surface noise I might hear does not bother me, but that's me.......I know of people who lose their sh*t when they hear a tick...LOL
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I have records that are 40+ yrs old and they still sound great and any surface noise I might hear does not bother me, but that's me.......I know of people who lose their sh*t when they hear a tick...LOL
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

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Can't really do that on vinyl.


Hi,

But there were other bits that were more fun than a CD ... 

It's hard to find these days, but one Monty Python LP had 3 sides ... and the fun thing was hearing a DJ announcing one piece, and when he put it on ... was another ... which got me laughing really hard, and the moron never got any kind of idea what the 3rd side meant! Or asked about it. (It was an alternating groove on the LP. btw!!!!!)

It can only happen on the LP.

Another fun bit ... several folks did it, including Guy Guden on his album ... and it was when the side comes to an end, and becomes an endless loop. At least one German band did this.

And even better ... is something that you can experience with an LP but not a CD ... the stuck bit, and someone knocking the needle forward ... you can hear it in many places, and even MP makes fun of it (...ohh you scratched the record!) ... and while I'm not sure of this, Frank Zappa was the first one to do this. The bad/good one is on the Amon Duul 1 album ... when it gets stuck, the needle is moved forwards and it continues. Sort of like ... interruptions don't matter! But what was better was that it was TIMED CORRECTLY ... you got annoyed, got up off the couch, and by the time you arrived at the turntable, it was back to normal! The joke was on you!

A couple of other bits ... that are not do'able with a CD ... most radio station's turntables had adjustments for speed (at least Guy Guden's place in Santa Barbara did) and it allowed for some really big fun ... that Guy used for many comedy bits ... like the music wows and flutters, and goes faster and slower, and the joke might be about the composer being drunk ... or totally ripped ... but the best? The backwards stuff ... and specially the sound effects ... now you know why I was able to give Guy Guden some 300 plus hours of recordings of his shows in the 70's ... many gems in there, and I'm not even mentioning the crown jewel of them all ... that was copied by at least one other mula in the station. Guy plays many of these bits on his weekly show now. 

It will be about 5 to 10 more years before the CD grows up to become a more fun thing ... but all in all, the idea that the LP's did not have their place and they added a lot to the music ... is strange. Because of Guy's "audio alchemy" a lot of things are way better on vinyl, than they ever will be on CD or the history of the piece of the music! But, none of you guys will ever hear those things, unless Guy plays them ... but I think these bore him these days. Wink


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Of course those metal bands couldn't slip in their satanic messages when played backwards on a CD could they - hehe. Wink
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

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Can't really do that on vinyl.


Hi,

But there were other bits that were more fun than a CD ... 

It's hard to find these days, but one Monty Python LP had 3 sides ... and the fun thing was hearing a DJ announcing one piece, and when he put it on ... was another ... which got me laughing really hard, and the moron never got any kind of idea what the 3rd side meant! Or asked about it. (It was an alternating groove on the LP. btw!!!!!)

It can only happen on the LP.

Another fun bit ... several folks did it, including Guy Guden on his album ... and it was when the side comes to an end, and becomes an endless loop. At least one German band did this.

And even better ... is something that you can experience with an LP but not a CD ... the stuck bit, and someone knocking the needle forward ... you can hear it in many places, and even MP makes fun of it (...ohh you scratched the record!) ... and while I'm not sure of this, Frank Zappa was the first one to do this. The bad/good one is on the Amon Duul 1 album ... when it gets stuck, the needle is moved forwards and it continues. Sort of like ... interruptions don't matter! But what was better was that it was TIMED CORRECTLY ... you got annoyed, got up off the couch, and by the time you arrived at the turntable, it was back to normal! The joke was on you!

A couple of other bits ... that are not do'able with a CD ... most radio station's turntables had adjustments for speed (at least Guy Guden's place in Santa Barbara did) and it allowed for some really big fun ... that Guy used for many comedy bits ... like the music wows and flutters, and goes faster and slower, and the joke might be about the composer being drunk ... or totally ripped ... but the best? The backwards stuff ... and specially the sound effects ... now you know why I was able to give Guy Guden some 300 plus hours of recordings of his shows in the 70's ... many gems in there, and I'm not even mentioning the crown jewel of them all ... that was copied by at least one other mula in the station. Guy plays many of these bits on his weekly show now. 

It will be about 5 to 10 more years before the CD grows up to become a more fun thing ... but all in all, the idea that the LP's did not have their place and they added a lot to the music ... is strange. Because of Guy's "audio alchemy" a lot of things are way better on vinyl, than they ever will be on CD or the history of the piece of the music! But, none of you guys will ever hear those things, unless Guy plays them ... but I think these bore him these days. Wink
Very interesting. I wasn't aware of any of those.
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Marillion Brave LP version gives you a double groove on side 4….You get either a downer ending or a happy ending, just depends where you start the stylus u don’t know which you get.
Rush FlyBy Night end of side one is a locked groove of bells at end of By Tor….
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