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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions Jacob, got some new material to peruse.


Your welcome. You know there are several members on Prog Archives whose background in Modern Chamber Music is vast compared to my knowledge of it . I can't recall their screen names because it's been years and I wish they were still around. I learned a lot from them no doubt. That's how I discovered Julverne! A lot of these members were experts on the subject matter and their noodle was stored with important detailed history on that style of music. A lot of my discoveries between 2005 and the present I owe to Prog Archives
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

One band in particular that combined a style of modern chamber music with Folk was Penguin Cafe Orchestra. Often described in the area of minimalist due to the repeativeness or redundancy of their notation..their first album blends a few styles not commonly found in modern chamber or chamber rock....yet creates moments of re-visting that style with odd musical characteristics.

In the 80s they were pegged as New Age. It's really not New Age. The paintings of Penguins on their album covers resembling human beings had nothing to do with that...Pieces that began as instrumental Folk with violin and transformed into a section of music that was dark and quirky had nothing to do with that.

Their music was used in 80s movies because of its hooky signature lines but their albums were not a product of that work. They were actually unusual in a very genuine way and they were pegged wrong. Some of their music is ethereal, ambient, bizzare and melodic and has a modern chamber vibe.

Big , Beautiful, Dark And Scary by Bang On A Can All Stars is worth the price of admission. Ingram Marshall Three Penitential Visions Hidden Voices I highly recommend . David Smooke Nutshell Studies Of Unexplained Death , Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic The Iridium Controversy is great Chamber Rock and of course composer Arnold Schonberg. Karda Estra Voivode Dracula is always amazing, but one of my favorite modern Chamber Music releases is Crackpot Hymnal Dmitri Tymoczko performed by the Amernet Quartet and the Congliano Quartet which is completely amazing. Julverne are also one of my favorites.


I have several Bang on a Can All Star releases and all are great. Field Recordings and More Field Recordings have compositions based on and incorporating field recordings by a wide range of composers including some not typically associated with contemporary classical.

The founders of Bang on a Can have a music label, Canteloupe Music, and just released is JG Thirlwell's Dystonia performed by the Mivos Quartet. Here's a track.



https://jgthirlwell.bandcamp.com/album/dystonia

For something prog-related, Kronos Quartet commissioned a piece by Stephan Thelen of SONAR.

https://stephanthelen.bandcamp.com/track/circular-lines-performed-by-kronos-quartet

On the mention of folk related chamber music, there is Tin Hat (previously Tin Hat Trio). They are on Prog Archives but I don't see much "rock" in their music. Definitely avant garde/experimental. All Music includes chamber jazz in labeling their music.

In trying to understand chamber rock, I am wondering band that I had mention in the Interactive Polls on this site, Black String. I think the ethos of chamber music is there along with elements of jazz and rock. The difference is that their sound and instrumentation comes from Eastern (Korean) music instead of Western.






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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

One band in particular that combined a style of modern chamber music with Folk was Penguin Cafe Orchestra. Often described in the area of minimalist due to the repeativeness or redundancy of their notation..their first album blends a few styles not commonly found in modern chamber or chamber rock....yet creates moments of re-visting that style with odd musical characteristics.

In the 80s they were pegged as New Age. It's really not New Age. The paintings of Penguins on their album covers resembling human beings had nothing to do with that...Pieces that began as instrumental Folk with violin and transformed into a section of music that was dark and quirky had nothing to do with that.

Their music was used in 80s movies because of its hooky signature lines but their albums were not a product of that work. They were actually unusual in a very genuine way and they were pegged wrong. Some of their music is ethereal, ambient, bizzare and melodic and has a modern chamber vibe.

Big , Beautiful, Dark And Scary by Bang On A Can All Stars is worth the price of admission. Ingram Marshall Three Penitential Visions Hidden Voices I highly recommend . David Smooke Nutshell Studies Of Unexplained Death , Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic The Iridium Controversy is great Chamber Rock and of course composer Arnold Schonberg. Karda Estra Voivode Dracula is always amazing, but one of my favorite modern Chamber Music releases is Crackpot Hymnal Dmitri Tymoczko performed by the Amernet Quartet and the Congliano Quartet which is completely amazing. Julverne are also one of my favorites.


I several Bang on a Can All Star releases and all are great. Field Recordings and More Field Recordings have compositions based on and inorporating field recordings by a wide range of composers including some not typically associated with contemporary classical.

The founders of Bang on a Can have a music label, Canteloupe Music, and just released is JG Thirlwell's Dystonia performed by the Mivos Quartet. Here's a track.



https://jgthirlwell.bandcamp.com/album/dystonia

For something prog-related, Kronos Quartet commissioned a piece by Stephan Thelen of SONAR.

https://stephanthelen.bandcamp.com/track/circular-lines-performed-by-kronos-quartet

On the mention of folk related chamber music, there is Tin Hat (previously Tin Hat Trio). They are on Prog Archives but I don't see much "rock" in their music. Definitely avant garde/experimental. All Music includes chamber jazz in labeling their music.

In trying to understand chamber rock, I am wondering band that I had mention in the Interactive Polls on this site, Black String. I think the ethos of chamber music is there along with elements of jazz and rock. The difference is that their sound and instrumentation comes from Eastern (Korean) music instead of Western.






Really interesting ''''thank you for sharing
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If you have contributed to this thread and haven't seen the Interactive Playlist: Chamber Rock thread, I welcome any of you who had participated here to suggest music there in creating a playlist of chamber rock (and contemporary chamber music).

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mathman0806 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2023 at 16:41
I asked ChatGPT to give examples of chamber rock. Any thoughts on the response.

Quote Chamber rock is a genre that combines elements of classical music, rock, and experimental music. It typically features classical instruments, such as strings, woodwinds, and brass, alongside electric guitars, bass, drums, and vocals. The genre often incorporates complex arrangements, rich harmonies, and unconventional song structures. Here are some examples of chamber rock artists and bands:

1. Arcade Fire - Their early albums, such as "Funeral" and "Neon Bible," incorporate elements of chamber rock with their use of orchestral instruments and grandiose arrangements.

2. The Dirty Three - An instrumental trio consisting of violin, guitar, and drums. They blend rock, folk, and classical influences, creating a unique and atmospheric sound.

3. Rachel's - A Louisville-based band that combines classical and rock instrumentation to create cinematic and emotive compositions.

4. The Tindersticks - Known for their lush arrangements and baritone vocals, The Tindersticks incorporate orchestral instruments into their indie rock sound.

5. Clogs - An instrumental chamber rock group that blends classical, post-rock, and folk influences. They often incorporate minimalist and experimental elements into their compositions.

6. The Decemberists - While primarily known as an indie folk band, The Decemberists have incorporated chamber rock elements into their music, particularly in albums like "The Hazards of Love" and "The Crane Wife."

7. Antony and the Johnsons - Led by singer Antony Hegarty, the band combines soulful vocals with chamber pop/rock arrangements, often featuring string sections and piano.

8. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Although primarily categorized as post-rock, this Canadian collective incorporates elements of chamber music, with their use of strings, brass, and orchestral arrangements.

These are just a few examples of chamber rock, and the genre itself can encompass a wide range of musical styles and approaches.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2023 at 16:51
^ I'm relieved I didn't find that list of examples all that impressive. This surely means AI isn't ready to enslave all of mankind just yet.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^ I'm relieved I didn't find that list of examples all that impressive. This surely means AI isn't ready to enslave all of mankind just yet.

Enslaving mankind may be easier than finding ones way through the genre jungle (and may actually make the latter problem go away very elegantly). Tongue


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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

If you have contributed to this thread and haven't seen the Interactive Playlist: Chamber Rock thread, I welcome any of you who had participated here to suggest music there in creating a playlist of chamber rock (and contemporary chamber music).


Bumping this. Still plenty of slots in the playlist.
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