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yogev 
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There's two live albums that I keep coming back to quite a lot this past months:
-Chicago At Carnegie Hall -Gong Live Etc Both are really good because they're manage to sum up really well the best period in each band's career. |
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Lewian
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I was thinking about nominating that one. The selection of tracks is great and some versions are outstanding, but this was put together from several concerts, and some have in my view a sound that is less sharp and physical than it should be. I heard this before knowing the You album, and it didn't advertise that album as well as it would deserve.
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the album contains two tracks from their 1973 performance at Bataclan,
"You Can't Kill Me" and "Zero the Hero and the Witch's Spell" (the
latter track has a different name on "Live au Bataclan"), but in
shortened versions; parts of the solos were cut out. which is one
of the reasons we prefer "Live au Bataclan"; the other is that "Live au
Bataclan" is from one concert
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King Crimson -Radical Action. Much better production then their albums
Not better but I reach for most any live Genesis ,especially in the car. At home, I'll usually listen to a studio album Edited by tdfloyd - June 07 2022 at 03:22 |
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On 'The Best band You Never Heard In Your Life' there are soundcheck recordings of 'Purple Haze' and 'Sunshine of your Love', both of which are brilliant!!
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Posted: June 07 2022 at 05:19 |
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Not sure about 'better than all their studio output', but Procul Harum with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra, Caravan and the New Sinfonia and Barclay James Harvest - Live Tapes are all brilliant albums.
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All of these are great choices. CARAVAN, specially showed how well and symphonic their music was and how it was beautifully blended with an orchestra, and conducted likewise. It is said that there was a serious issue in the show, and that the orchestra refused to go onstage for an encore and the band said something about it, but in the end the orchestra did show up, and they played well. You do not seem to get this idea in the album at all, that had material moved around, compared to the remastered CD which was (supposedly) complete and in the right order. A magnificent concert, and for me, one of the very best CARAVAN albums, though people seem to be stuck on some idealistic progressive stuff from before. When heard with an orchestra, it is not progressive at all, but outstanding compositions that also fit an orchestra, which makes it "symphonic" in my book, and one of the best at it.
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Posted: June 07 2022 at 11:49 |
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I agree on many alums mentioned. For example I would always go for live albums if it comes to
Space Rock (Hawkwind, Ozrics, Gong etc.) For the German thing definetly: Jane - Live at Home I would also prefer Santana - Lotus and Moonflower over any studio album Edited by TheH - June 07 2022 at 11:50 |
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Posted: June 07 2022 at 15:11 |
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I've got to agree with Jane Live, although I never liked the band that much. That live album is a good listen though (in fact their only album I have kept).
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Apart from a few that have been named, like Grobschnitt, I think Anyone's Daughter "Live" and "requested Document Live (Vol 1)" are better than any of their studio albums, and contain my favourite versions of mmost of the tracks. The addition of two lengthy (and coincidentally live) bonus tracks on the "Adonis" reissue really bolster that debut album.
What's fascinating is that, based on the only official DVD (Disc 2 of "requested Document Live Vol 2"), they were actually very wooden and overly serious on stage, but you'd never know it from the audio.
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I tend to always prefer studio albums to live albums and i can't think of a single prog artist that i could say i prefer the live album over all studio albums. There are a few rock / metal albums where that's the case though. Here's a couple a can think of at the moment.   Edited by siLLy puPPy - June 07 2022 at 20:29 |
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In rock music, to me, I think often it simply boils down to my aversion of being exposed to audience participation. That's rarely an issue with jazz, because audience behave differently. I most certainly have some degree of misophonia (selective sound sensitivity syndrome), and can even react negativly to hearing a barely audible smacking sound made by a vocalist opening their mouth to sing. But for some reason a nicely recorded avant-garde post-Coltrane full blowout-session isn't a problem.
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Posted: June 08 2022 at 06:41 |
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I too love a good live album but I always go back to the studio recordings. Those are the ones I've spent the most time with. Typically, because I've heard the album so many times, the studio versions are ingrained and preferable.
That doesn't mean a live version of a particular song can't be better for me. It's just not the rule. There are exceptions. For years, the only version of Katmandu by Bob Seger I heard was a live version. For whatever reason, the radio stations only played that version. It wasn't until several years later I finally heard the studio version and didn't like it nearly as much. The live version had so much more energy. Same way with the J Geils Band song, Musta Got Lost. That live version with Peter Wolf's opening monologue is the best
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Posted: June 08 2022 at 07:43 |
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Funny/far out stuff. One of the things that one can learn from the live stuff is how different somethings can be. Here is an example of 3 of their American tours. GONG/PIP PYLE -- Very jazzy, and tight. GONG/PIERRE -- Massively strong with a really nice rock edge, and the long cuts were even stronger and better. Pierre obviously knew how to color those pieces, better than the others. GONG/S2S drummer (sorry can never remember his name!) -- Trippy, and a bit on the monotonic side of things which gave a couple of pieces a neat effect, although I much preferred the rock version. All 3 were good, although in the third version Daevid got pissed off at a camera person, that started on a detail on him, and turned the camera to something else right in the middle of it, and Daevid gave her the finger! It ought to tell you how much so many of the folks that do "film" for a lot of music know NOT ONLY bout the music, but about anything having to do with continuity within a film itself ... rock music, from the MTV crap days, was about dismantling what film had done for 70 years, and it didn't want "continuity" within its visuals ... and folks directing the film versions of almost every DVD I have, are horrible, and probably the only two groups that are done right are Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze, and both folks were very concerned with their presentation and how it came out ... most rock music is crap by comparison, and insulting, to the point of thinking that a bunch of smoke is an exciting event!
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Posted: June 08 2022 at 16:12 |
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Renaissance - Live at Carnegie Hall.
Now their studio work is exceptional, don't get me wrong. But this live album is a masterpiece 
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Hi, Not to mention a voice that ripped DD's ears! Even he could not believe it!
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I have been listening a lot to Hattler these days, which is a project of Kraan bassist Hellmut Hattler. Not listed here (no complaints, it isn't really prog). Almost all videos that are around are live and very good at that, and also their two live releases called Live Cuts I and II are awesome, head and shoulders over what I heard from the studio. They still play live although Hellmut is over 70 now and not exactly a celebrity, so I doubt outside Germany there are many chances left to see him live. (I seriously toy around with the idea of going to Germany at some point just for catching one of their gigs. I've seen Kraan three times and at least one of those is among the best live performances I ever saw.)
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Posted: June 11 2022 at 17:18 |
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It takes a lot for one live album to take the place of numerous studio releases. Always thought it showed up best in classic rock bands where the extra power and occasional extended improvisation improved many a studio track. The obvious examples for me are:
Deep Purple - Made in Japan Rory Gallagher - Irish Tour ‘74 Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous UFO - Strangers in the Night Robin Trower - Live Hawkwind - Space Ritual etc. etc. With prog I miss the more precise structure and complexity that is sometimes lost at the expense of that increased dynamism. Yessongs, Seconds Out, Welcome Back….. etc. are great to hear, but I still go back to the classic studio albums. However, honourable exceptions in the prog field are probably: Camel - A Live Record BJH - Live Gentle Giant - Live: Playing the Fool Jethro Tull - Live Bursting Out Renaissance - Live at Carnegie Hall …which do a fine job to encapsulate those bands’ quality and style on one release around their peak. |
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Most of these were mentioned in the thread but I'll weigh in for a dozen:
ABB - The Fillmore Concerts Genesis - Seconds Out Keith Jarrett - Still Live Yes - Yessongs Weather Report - Live In Tokyo Tull - Bursting Out Little Feat - Waiting For Columbus Renaissance - Carnegie Hall King Crimson - The Great Deceiver Set Basie & Sinatra - Sinatra At The Sands John Coltrane - Live At Birdland Thin Lizzy - Live & Dangerous |
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Posted: June 17 2022 at 06:11 |
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My pick would be Novalis - Konzerte. It's an excellent live album, which is way better than a lot of Novalis's studio works!
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