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mathman0806 
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 Posted: July 24 2021 at 06:27 |
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If I had heard this song blind and someone asked who the artist was, I would have likely answered that I don't know but artist is trying to sound like Yes. It's not a bad song but sterile in my opinion. The keyboards seem cheesy, like for an 80s TV show.
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progaardvark
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 06:59 |
I think this is a fair assessment and I'm in agreement.
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dougmcauliffe
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 07:01 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lvHY9_HHk
Yes’s new song has been widely accused in fan circles of nearly note for note plagiarism of this 1978 track by Francis Monkman of Curved Air and Sky, thoughts? Geoff Downes has some explaining to do Edited by dougmcauliffe - July 24 2021 at 07:02 |
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suitkees
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 07:17 |
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^^ Yes, so am I (except for the fact that expectations can never be wrong: they can be high or low, they can be met or not, but they can never be wrong or right...they're just expectations). What I hear in this song is a Steve Howe dominated track, and also a very present Geoff Downes... The others just follow. It is not forgettable pop because it's not pop, but to me it is very forgettable: Steve Howe does what he is doing since more than 40 years, Geoff Downes is stuck in the 80s... To me it sounds a bit if Howe teamed up with the Buggles, but it is very far from Adventourous things in Modern Recording. I will definitely listen to the rest of the album when it comes out, but if the rest is like this I won't buy it. My take is that Yes is not innovating any more. They were, from one album to the next, always trying out new things, experimenting, both in their songwriting as in their playing. In my opinion they maintained this "progressive" stance (in the sense of continuing to experiment and innovate) up till the Talk album (with the exception, maybe, of Big Generator). I very much like the Maginification album, but I think they were already harking back more to what Yes was instead of going forward to what Yes could become next (and this harking back actually already happened with the ABWH-album, imho). This sounds better than anything on the H&E album, which was a splendid proof of the possibility that really great musicians can put out mediocre music, but it is not original, creative and innovative enough for me to be convinced by it. I'll wait for the rest and see (hear)...
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 08:45 |
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progaardvark
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 08:56 |
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Now having heard three different keyboard parts that seem to be copied from Francis Monkman's work (as others have noted here and elsewhere), and no evidence yet that credit is being given to Monkman as an adaptation of his work or that it was licensed from Bruton Music, I herewith change my opinion of this song. Geoffrey Downes has some explaining to do.
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Lewian
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 09:30 |
Yeah, that is hard to defend.
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 09:59 |
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Just to add more to this story, from Downes' Twitter account:
  Source: https://twitter.com/asiageoff I think we need more details.
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 11:05 |
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How long before someone makes a poll about which version of the song is preferred?
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dougmcauliffe
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 12:04 |
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I don’t know man, smells like BS. Francis Monkmans album was released in 1978 (the same year as his next release, strangely titled “Tempus Fugit.” He is listed as the writer of every track off both of those albums. Geoff has no writing credits on IMDB for before 1979. Something ain’t adding up here.
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suitkees
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 13:09 |
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Well, I suppose that Downes very well knows what he has done when and that he also knows what others have done in the same period (or in other periods), so I tend to believe what he says. Maybe naively, but why would he lie? He knows that in our digital age everything gets uncovered by a click... That said, it still doesn't sound original, which is actually explained by the fact that it dates from 1977 (!). Did I say something before about "harking back"...? Edited by suitkees - July 24 2021 at 13:09 |
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 13:26 |
Trying to make a bag full of elephant dung smell like roses...
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 13:59 |
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First track released on YouTube. Does anyone else hear a nod to Emerson in the opening synth line here? Over all I am a little underwhelmed by this tune. It's not terrible or anything, just a little bland, as some Yes songs are. I need to hear more of the album. But from just this track a definite step up from Heaven and Earth. And now listen to this ??? Geoff Downes on Twitter: "In regards to recent messages, the original
idea for The Ice Bridge track appears on a 1977 showreel of mine at a
time when I was composing jingles and library music for a West End music
production company."
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 17:13 |
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^Not sure about an Emerson nod. Yo me the beginning sounded more like it was going to be a cover of "The Final Countdown".
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: July 24 2021 at 18:27 |
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I find it hilarious that his cruise ship cover band version of Yes is being accused of lifting someone's else's work. Remember when Yes was considered one of the most innovative and creative bands in progressive rock?
No need to reply, I was speaking rhetorically.
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mathman0806
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Posted: July 25 2021 at 03:34 |
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So, looking a bit further, there is an implication that Downes having written a showreel with the music in 1977 could have been appropriated by Monkman. The label Bruton Music on which Monkman's album was initially released in 1978 is one for producing library music. Here is a bio on the label.
It would be interesting to see whether a young Downes was working for either KPM or Bruton. Edited by mathman0806 - July 25 2021 at 03:44 |
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A Crimson Mellotron
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Posted: July 25 2021 at 05:28 |
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I wish I was more excited for this one (currently, I am much more interested in hearing the new Tull material!), but when I think of Yes, what comes to my mind is Jon Anderson, Rick Wakeman, Chris Squire... I will try to hear this album when it comes out, then I will judge.
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Posted: July 25 2021 at 14:39 |
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It's not Jonny's Quest?
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Posted: July 27 2021 at 01:40 |
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Lol!!!!!!
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