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Originally posted by HenryCowgirl HenryCowgirl wrote:

Maybe it's just because I'm kind of obsessed with HC right now, but I've been listening to this album a lot lately! I never have any idea what a composition on this album is going to do next but i'm always pleasantly surprised because it always sounds cool.

I think my favorite track off the album - and maybe my favorite Henry Cow track - is Gretel's Tale. The crazy piano is cool but what really does it for me is the woodwinds around :30-1:00 in, the rhythm, tone, and way the different instrument's lines move around each other is so interesting and enjoyable to me.

Welcome to the forum. Nice first post!

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It's a great album but, in my opinion, the maserpiece of

Henry Cow is In Praise of Learing.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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^ That's because you did it wrong. It's done by throwing drums down a flight of stairs.  Geek

You know, we knew something wasn't sounding right when we were trying to throw the drum UP the stairs...I'll try your method on our next session! Wink LOL

I have a 2005 remaster CD edition on its way for the shelf.
I'm sure I don't have to tell that you have to be gargling when you toss the bass drum and Hi hat.

I had to make a gurgle sample because everything was one take, but you're correct. That sorted the mix right out! What a difference!

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I usually find a clothes hamper full of spare car parts and empty cans works best. When the lid opens up in mid-flight down the stairs, the stuff starts coming out and produces a scattering of noises in various time signatures. Further, when the hamper hits the bottom, what didn't fall out of it comes out at the bottom and extends your song for at least another minute of sounds.

What's nice about this method is that if you have ten hampers, all filled up at the top of the steps, you can record each song one after the other and have your album done in under an hour. 

Noted! I'll try using aluminum bins as well. Extra dissonance/resonance against concrete steps. The less you mic up, the better. One overhang from an adjacent rooftop should provide the perfect level of natural reverb against passing cars and neighborhood animals/kids, etc.

Henry Cow rules Wink.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2021 at 00:14
Originally posted by HenryCowgirl HenryCowgirl wrote:

Maybe it's just because I'm kind of obsessed with HC right now, but I've been listening to this album a lot lately! I never have any idea what a composition on this album is going to do next but i'm always pleasantly surprised because it always sounds cool.

I think my favorite track off the album - and maybe my favorite Henry Cow track - is Gretel's Tale. The crazy piano is cool but what really does it for me is the woodwinds around :30-1:00 in, the rhythm, tone, and way the different instrument's lines move around each other is so interesting and enjoyable to me.

The fact that you JUST joined, have this username, and found this thread are stupendously serendipitous to me.

Welcome to PA! 

I love your time stamp references because this album is still new to me, and those are parts I was totally going to reference in this thread. Fantastic intro post, welcome again!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2021 at 00:19
It’s a classic for a very good reason.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2021 at 04:28
I love a lot of avant/RIO stuff but Henry Cow have a tendency (to my ears) to come over as too intellectual for the sake of being intellectual. I do find them interesting and am able to appreciate and occasionally enjoy their music, but they have far less emotional appeal to me than much of Frith's solo work, Art Zoyd, or Univers Zero, say. Western Culture is probably their most intellectual, "constructed" album, harder for me than others, although there isn't much between them. And surely it has its moments (actually I've got to say it starts very cold but becomes more engaging as it goes on).


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Larks in Aspic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2021 at 11:08
It is probably their most consistent album. Perhaps the only reproach I have is that some improvisations do not develop very well.
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It's only their second album that doesn't sock.
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