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    Posted: October 27 2020 at 08:58
Sometimes artists openly cite classical music in their songs, but sometimes they cleverly hide it, like here:



One of the classical "hits" is hidden in here; do you recognize it? I use "classical" in a broad sense here; actually impressionistic would be more correct. I call it "hidden" because of the heavy guitar playing alongside the theme.

Do you know other songs where something like this is done?


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Brahms Lullaby is cleverly hidden in the cello bass at the end of "Silent Lucidity"

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Maybe not too surreptitioius but I would say Cherry Blossom clinic (revisited) by the Move which features snippets of Bach and the nutcracker among others.

Maybe the best example of this I know of is on Yes's version of "somethings coming" where you can hear a bit of a classical piece(starting at around 4:27) that I can't place at the moment but you can listen to it and let me know what it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-YRK3jU3DY

I can't really think of any others off the top of my head right now. 


Edit: I just figured out the classical piece interpreted by Peter Banks was Troika from the lt. Kiji suite by Prokofiev.


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ELP were always stealing classical music. Also Renaissance did that on their early albums. For example 'At the Harbour' (on Ashes Are Burning) contains citations from Claude Debussy's piano piece Sunken Cathedral.

QUIZ:  Whose organ composition was cited in 'Machine Messiah' by YES (on Drama, 1980)?
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Jupiter by Holst appears on Absolutely Free by Zappa and on Time and a Word by Yes (the albums, not the tunes). I'll let you listen and find the quotes.

Emerson's fantasy in Take a Pebble includes a very obvious quote of a Bach piece I can't remember the name of, but that I did play in my piano lessons years ago.

Another piece I played in piano lessons many moons ago that appears in something I heard recently is a Chopin piano tune (again, name escapes me) at the end of an SBB track. The final track of Nowy Horyzont.
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Originally posted by Matti Matti wrote:

ELP were always stealing classical music. Also Renaissance did that on their early albums. For example 'At the Harbour' (on Ashes Are Burning) contains citations from Claude Debussy's piano piece Sunken Cathedral.

QUIZ:  Whose organ composition was cited in 'Machine Messiah' by YES (on Drama, 1980)?

Altough iīm a Saint -Saens fan , Machine Messiah it contains a piece a  fabulous one  of a great composer, itīs Charles-Marie Widorīs  5th Symphony for Organ


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Sometimes artists openly cite classical music in their songs, but sometimes they cleverly hide it, like here:



One of the classical "hits" is hidden in here; do you recognize it? I use "classical" in a broad sense here; actually impressionistic would be more correct. I call it "hidden" because of the heavy guitar playing alongside the theme.

Do you know other songs where something like this is done?

It says "Video Not Available" so I can't see who you are referring to..

Great idea for a thread. I can only think of songs that aren't hiding the classical influences.
https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition

https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List
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Of course there is Eric Carmen's "All By Myself", which is based on the chord changes and other elements from Rachmaninov's Piano Concerto No. 2.  Many people haven't heard the original, much longer version of this track that has the extended piano solo in it, but the usage of the Concerto is even more evident in that part.

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The most obvious one I can think of is Gustov Holst's "Mars - Bringer of War," which was "borrowed" by Bob Fripp and retitled "The Devil's Triangle."




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Well, not exactly rock songs, neither anything "hidden" inside; but I always find the "link" between these three power metal epic ballads that feed upon the same musical theory, which is presumably a major mode in Western Classical Music, intriguing. I love all the 3 of 'em, by the bye.








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