Yes: Heaven & Earth (2014)

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: If you wonder why I like Heaven & Earth much more than the classic Relayer album, I just find Heaven & Earth to be more melodic and easy to listen to than Relayer. is that it? I've heard cheesy AOR more interesting than H&E.  Well, that's "Your Prerogative", and you'll be relieved to see I haven't posted the Britney Spears video again.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: If you wonder why I like Heaven & Earth much more than the classic Relayer album, I just find Heaven & Earth to be more melodic and easy to listen to than Relayer. is that it?   Do you want me to write a 1000 word essay on why I love the Heaven & Earth album?

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Chopper has summed up my thoughts on Yes perfectly:- Relayer for me is challenging and difficult to listen to, whereas Heaven & Earth is "poppier" and much more approachable and easy to listen to. I'm sorry it's not a 1000 word dissertation on the subject, but that sums up my thoughts on the two opposing Yes albums in a nutshell.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Chopper has summed up my thoughts on Yes perfectly:- Relayer for me is challenging and difficult to listen to, whereas Heaven & Earth is "poppier" and much more approachable and easy to listen to. I'm sorry it's not a 1000 word dissertation on the subject, but that sums up my thoughts on the two opposing Yes albums in a nutshell. he also said the album is "uninspired and lifeless". You forgot about that...  Yes, Chopper said "I just find it uninspired and lifeless" which is his own personal view of Heaven & Earth, which is fair enough, but I have a different view.

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Chopper has summed up my thoughts on Yes perfectly:- Relayer for me is challenging and difficult to listen to, whereas Heaven & Earth is "poppier" and much more approachable and easy to listen to. I'm sorry it's not a 1000 word dissertation on the subject, but that sums up my thoughts on the two opposing Yes albums in a nutshell. he also said the album is "uninspired and lifeless". You forgot about that...  Yes, Chopper said "I just find it uninspired and lifeless" which is his own personal view of Heaven & Earth, which is fair enough, but I have a different view. you twisted his words as to make his comments positive. Not cool, man, not cool.

Edited by chopper - August 26 2020 at 08:36

Cristi wrote: chopper wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Chopper has summed up my thoughts on Yes perfectly:- Relayer for me is challenging and difficult to listen to, whereas Heaven & Earth is "poppier" and much more approachable and easy to listen to. I'm sorry it's not a 1000 word dissertation on the subject, but that sums up my thoughts on the two opposing Yes albums in a nutshell. he also said the album is "uninspired and lifeless". You forgot about that...  Yes, Chopper said "I just find it uninspired and lifeless" which is his own personal view of Heaven & Earth, which is fair enough, but I have a different view. you twisted his words as to make his comments positive. Not cool, man, not cool.  No he didn't really, I was trying to explain why Paul prefers HaE to Relayer and he has quoted that. Now it so happens that my opinion differs and I think it's kind of a shame that he prefers the insipid HaE to the wondrousness of Relayer  but it's his opinion and I respect that. It might be better if you did the same so you two can stop arguing. He sometimes brings out the worst of me  He picks on me, I pick on him, sometimes I just can't help it. (Especially when he says recent albums from Yes are better than classic Yes.)

Psychedelic Paul wrote: ^ I'm not picking on you at all.  I don't know why you can't just accept that I prefer most of the recent albums by Yes to the classic Relayer album?   As Chopper says, we all have our own differing opinions when It comes to the multifaceted world of prog.

Yes were heavily influenced by the fusion scene when they made Relayer and the reason that Wakeman jumped ship was that he wasn't into it. For me Gates Of Delirium is in the top 3 prog tracks of all time along with Suppers Ready and Karn Evil 9. The problem for me is Sound Chaser . I just find this boring while To Be Over is just very uninspired . GoD still puts it in my top 5 Yes albums.  H&E is okay but then as I said before I have a lot of respect for Jon Davison and it took Glass Hammer a long time to get over his departure (which they have finally done with their brilliant latest album) . I would still have Davison in any current Yes line up because he can write good stuff. Check out If and Cor Cordium for great examples. He is capable of bringing creativity and ideas to Yes.

richardh wrote: Yes were heavily influenced by the fusion scene when they made Relayer and the reason that Wakeman jumped ship was that he wasn't into it. For me Gates Of Delirium is in the top 3 prog tracks of all time along with Suppers Ready and Karn Evil 9. The problem for me is Sound Chaser . I just find this boring while To Be Over is just very uninspired . GoD still puts it in my top 5 Yes albums.  H&E is okay but then as I said before I have a lot of respect for Jon Davison and it took Glass Hammer a long time to get over his departure (which they have finally done with their brilliant latest album) . I would still have Davison in any current Yes line up because he can write good stuff. Check out If and Cor Cordium for great examples. He is capable of bringing creativity and ideas to Yes.

I could actually do without Relayer, because I don't really like Sound Chaser nor To Be Over either, and even though Gates of Delirium is indeed one of the best songs I can think of, I much prefer the live version on Symphonic Live... the band really blends beautifully with the orchestra, and they both really complement each other, unlike some other orchestrated songs that just sound like the band on one side and the orchestra on the other. Sound Chaser actually sounds better of the live versions I have heard, but I still can't get past those cha cha cha's. And To Be Over is one of the most frustrating songs I can think of, because the main melody is actually a really wonderful and special one, but the way they brought about the song just didn't work for me... too long, I think, and perhaps Moraz's keyboards weren't the best to bring that melody to life... I much prefer the instrumental acoustic versions Howe has played... I actually really wish they had played this one with the whole band on the acoustic sets they did in the 00's.

Although I've made a project of giving the Benoit and Jon D. years another listen, on their own merits, I'm not a fan of HaE (or either flavour of Fly From Here, either).