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    Posted: June 04 2016 at 14:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2016 at 15:56
^ Yeah but not without a fight, and a dignified life--  at least he didn't OD or shoot himself or wind up indicted.
 
Farewell, Cassius.  A great, great man.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 00:45
he is the ICON, the great person, the boxer, knock knock knock on heavens door.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 02:29
I'm in China this month and the day before he died I was in the Muslim quarter of Xi'an.  He visited there in 1985.  I visited the Great Mosque and saw a large picture of him praying in the great room.  He looked so composed and strong.  

There's also a huge 'Thrilla in Manila' promotional poster of him and Joe Frazier in our gym back in Pennsylvania.  Won't look at that picture the same way again.

He was famously quoted a while back wondering if people would remember him.  Really sad for his passing but I think there are people all over the world who will definitely remember The Greatest.  Pretty sure Sonny Liston never forgot him.




Edited by ClemofNazareth - June 05 2016 at 02:40
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 03:20
R.I.P.
Although I am absolutely not interested in boxing, I know that he was one of the big personalities of the 20th century, also outside of the boxing ring.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 05:45
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

I'm in China this month and the day before he died I was in the Muslim quarter of Xi'an.  He visited there in 1985.  I visited the Great Mosque and saw a large picture of him praying in the great room.  He looked so composed and strong.  

There's also a huge 'Thrilla in Manila' promotional poster of him and Joe Frazier in our gym back in Pennsylvania.  Won't look at that picture the same way again.

He was famously quoted a while back wondering if people would remember him.  Really sad for his passing but I think there are people all over the world who will definitely remember The Greatest.  Pretty sure Sonny Liston never forgot him.




lucky you Bob... visiting China is on the short list of places I'd really like to visit before I kick the can.

and yeah....  Ali scared the hell out of Liston. Thus the 'phantom punch' of that second fight... thus the reactions of Ali in those pictures.. he wanted him to get up and fight.. not take a dive...he wanted no part of Ali or his crowd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 06:25
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

lucky you Bob... visiting China is on the short list of places I'd really like to visit before I kick the can.

The trip is killer, two hours to Detroit, then fourteen to Beijing, another two to Xi'an (or four to Shanghai or five to Shenzhen).

But I bought this up on the latest trip, so that was cool.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 06:33
*spits coffee on monitor*

Clap tell me it isn't too late for you to get another of those...I'll pay for it and to have it sent to me! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 06:54
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

*spits coffee on monitor*

Clap tell me it isn't too late for you to get another of those...I'll pay for it and to have it sent to me! LOL


Here all week, I'll see what I can do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 07:09
awesome!  Drop me a PM and let me know what I am looking at.  Raff is notoriously forgiving of my eccentricities.. but it is never wise to tempt fate... or the temper of any Italian woman LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 13:14
I don't know much about Ali.  I am curious to know what are all these "great qualities" he has that are being so revered.  His stance against the Vietnam seems admirable.  I don't find anything admirable about boxing.  Being a "big personality", to me, doesn't really count toward anything.  (Donald Trump as a big personality, after all.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 13:45
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

I don't know much about Ali.  I am curious to know what are all these "great qualities" he has that are being so revered.  His stance against the Vietnam seems admirable.  I don't find anything admirable about boxing.  Being a "big personality", to me, doesn't really count toward anything.  (Donald Trump as a big personality, after all.)
 
Ali was an enormous influence in the AA community. He took crap from no one and his verbal agility and his pride in who/what he was was obvious to all, at a time when being black meant taking a seat at the back of the bus. Because of his talent and ability as a boxer (not a sport I'm a fan of, btw), he demanded respect and got it from most, with the exception of some die-hard racists. He was willing to put up with the suspension of his boxing career - at a time when it was most lucrative - to take a stand against the Vietnam War, and say specifically it was about racism:
 
"Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go ten thousand miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No, I am not going ten thousand miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would put my prestige in jeopardy and could cause me to lose millions of dollars which should accrue to me as the champion. But I have said it once and I will say it again. The real enemy of my people is right here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality… If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to 22 million of my people they wouldn’t have to draft me, I’d join tomorrow. But I either have to obey the laws of the land or the laws of Allah. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I’ll go to jail. We’ve been in jail for four hundred years."
 
That took a lot of courage, and people didn't forget it.  His personality was big, but as you noted, that doesn't mean much. He had principles and acted on them. That's what meant a lot and why so many, white and black, admire him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2016 at 18:08
From being called the "Louisville Lip" to the "Greatest".  RIP to the "sporting" fighting man who was a man of love of people.  Never a fan of boxing, but in my youth I did watch the heavyweights when they were on and always rooted against him in the boxing ring as I did not like his mouth, although he was entertaining.  Later on I loved to watch him and Howard Cosell banter and slowly began to understand and admire the convictions he stood for and gave up millions $ personally to stand for his beliefs.
 
His greatest battle was against the terrible Parkinson's disease and he showed dignity and grace in battling it to the end. 
 
RIP Champ.
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