Bjork

In my opinion she should be included here. I don't like her, though; only respect her works.

Again I'd have to point out that if we add bjork we'd have to add Yoko Ono - and nobody wants that to happen, so lets drop it.

No from me. Lets draw the line somewhere for Odin's sake!

No offense, but we have here bands like Sigur Rós who in my opinion are very much like björk's music. I say this now that I own all of their albums and Björk's too. And rest assured it is not based on the similarity of the voice/language, otherwise I'd suggest Emiliana Torrini to be added.

Then you say she has some trip-hop, ok, some experimental, ok, very true. How about Peter Gabriel? I'm not putting him down here, in fact he's my second favourite artist of all time, but he did his Sledgehammer and Don't Give Up and such. Then he did his experimental stuff.

I think along these lines I mean these artists are very similar, around what I've called psychedelic prog or psychedelic rock, but the rock would be a bit vague as it'd hold in such as Jefferson Airplane. But to what a HC progfan wants, björk gives more than Peter Gabriel perhaps.

I think she and her work belong here as much as the rest. And for the matter of defining the (sub)genre, I never thought of her music as rock, must be a bit because the only thing "rock" and her album vespertine for example have in common is a singer.

Might be a useless comment, but we do have bands here that are called prog only because they have extraordinary time signatures in their songs.

I think the perfect word for her music is eclectic. It's a good, pleasant mix of different genres, but that doesn't make her progressive. Just because something is unique and creative doesn't always mean it's progressive. Let's take for example Run DMC, they made stuff that was unique and creative but hardly progressive. I admit that Bjork has a lot more merit as a progressive artist than Run DMC but hte fact still stands that she's an interesting, creative artist, but not one who can truly be tagged a member of the progressive music scene

Passionist wrote: I completely understand your point, but then, one thing I disagree with. THe only close to dance song I've ever heard from björk would be "There's more to life than this", which then again isn't dance. Trip Hop I'd allow, but rarely. Dance... no. Pop, yes some songs all right. But that's not a merit that closes her away, or not as I see it.   Bjork (1977): Covers and POP Gin Glo (1990): Easy songs with a Jazz edge Debut (1993): Electronic Pop, Dance and Trip Hop all around the album Post (1995): For God's sake even 808 State (Pioneer of the Acid House Dance genre), Howie B and Tricky, all Trip Hop musicians participated in the album. Telegram (1997): Her most Challenging album at that point, but nothing more than Electronic, Dance and Alternative. Homogenic (1997): More of the same, even Howie B was again with her. Vespertine (2001): Her worst album at that point, even her fans qualified it as weak in comparison with the previous, more romantic and bland. Medulla (2004): One of her most experimental albums, it reaches the limits of the word weird, but again no Prog at all. Army of Me: Remixes and Covers (2005): It's described as Synth Pop but I haven't heard it because when I found it consisted of 20 different versions of the same song, it was enough for me. Drawing Restraint 9 (2006): Again weird but in essense oit's more Pop/Alternative and Trip Hop IMO. So album by album I see no r4eson to include her and much more Trip Hop and Dance than you have heard, but I respect your opinion even when I disagree. Anyway, on a side note, I don't listen to Peter Gabriel because of his name, nor should he be kept here because of it. I listen to him because he's an awesome artist, be it prog related or not. Damn, Phil Collins is a big name and surely prog related having played in Genesis too, only difference there is that he made somewhat worse music than Gabriel.   Passionist, better and worst have nothing to do with this issue, this terms are subjective. Believe it or not there are severaol members here who believe some Phil Collins albums are pretty good and a lot who don't care for Peter Gabriel work post Genesis.   Peter recorded 2 Prog albums, 2 with a couple of POP tracks but a lot of experimental stuff in there, from that point Pete's career is at least Prog Related, I believe his approach to African Ethnic work and some complex albums make him Art Rock material.   Now Phil Collins is not here because he never released a single Prog album, song or even note, everything he did as a soloist is POP or Adult Contemporary, so there's no place for him in Prog Archives And still, I refuse not to compare these two, as a long time (as long as it can be in my age) fan of both, and having heard their music over and over again. See into it, and you realise they both work with pretty similar methods and ways.     I don't see any method similarities, Peter Gabriel's only Poppy albums were released after he broke finantially with WOIMAD and he had to stand back on his feet, but before and after those two albums, he always experimented in every possible way.   Phil Collins went for the easy formula, POP romantic or personal songs with a simple format, nothing challenging or remotely Prog, there is people who will like his music, but he's not PA material.   Iván

Bryan wrote: Bjork isn't prog.  Drop it.

So true!

I think Bjork has some prog elements, she would be a great inclusion, she mixes post rock, trip hop, and some other folk stuff with her magnificent voice. I agree with Dick Heath. The only restriction in prog is that you can fusion it with everything you want.

Dick Heath wrote:   Since when has any form of music not been available for plundering into a form of prog? Is this the 21st century insular approach to prog - certain has little to do with the freewheeling, let's try anything attitute of us first generation prog fans of the 60's. When artists as as varied as Robert Fiipp and Allan Holdsworth have been involved in projects that include dance/drum'n'bass (BPM & M) and trip hop (Riptyde) - and of course Fripp has played punk too - then the only rule for fusion of musical genres in progressive music: is there are no limitations. And Bjork would get my vote for inclusion - listen beyond the pop stuff.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 12 2007 at 21:46