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Gooner 
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 09:48 |
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XTC isn't listed here...but Oingo Boingo is? It is to laugh...
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Smurph
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 11:31 |
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Oingo boingo is here for their first couple album.
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MustardSea
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 12:38 |
 Gooner wrote:
XTC isn't listed here...but Oingo Boingo is? It is to laugh... |
Haha yeah, I think there have already been a ton of discussions about "<insert band name> is on PA WHYISN'TXTC?!?!?oneone" and to be honest I still don't get why they aren't included as they have at least ONE concept album (Skylarking) and even started their own "concept band" with The Dukes Of Stratosphear.
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The Truth
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 13:28 |
No.
Can't a band be good without being considered progressive?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 13:46 |
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haven't they already been suggested?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 13:48 |
Hmm, not for some time. This is the latest of three threads
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 14:15 |
The Truth wrote:
Can't a band be good without being considered progressive? |
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lazland
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 14:40 |
XTC were a great band. I loved their music.
But they were NOT a prog rock band, in spite of the fact that alumni now play in prog rock bands.
In fact, they were part of the new wave movement that was supposed to have done away with prog.
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CPicard
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 15:17 |
lazland wrote:
Why do we keep getting these suggestions? |
Because their music is richer than the usual pop/rock band. Yet, even saying that, I wouldn't suggest XTC for PA. For me, they started like an English Devo (with their own sound, hey) and evolved to something smoother and more... er, English? By the way, I wasn't aware Oingo Boingo was in the PA database. 
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moshkito
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 17:08 |
lazland wrote:
XTC were a great band. I loved their music. But they were NOT a prog rock band, in spite of the fact that alumni now play in prog rock bands.
In fact, they were part of the new wave movement that was supposed to have done away with prog.
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This is the problem with the label and definition ... XTC, was a very experimental and temperamental style of music that is hard to define. I never thought they were anywhere near "new wave" because they don't fit in any area that we can possibly define ... !!! But the period from "English Settlement" to "Mummer", to "The Big Express" to "Skylarking" , is excellent and rivals ANY band that we consider "progressive" in their continual esperimentation and work. I can have fun with all the musical details in the definition of "progressive", "prog" or "metal" ... because XTC has done it all, inside out, backwards and forwards, and all that ... and we ignored it on purpose because of our definition! Fun band to listen to with some unbelievable excellent things, that make some progressive bands sound like sh*t!
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Dean
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 18:11 |
moshkito wrote:
lazland wrote:
XTC were a great band. I loved their music.
But they were NOT a prog rock band, in spite of the fact that alumni now play in prog rock bands.
In fact, they were part of the new wave movement that was supposed to have done away with prog.
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This is the problem with the label and definition ... XTC, was a very experimental and temperamental style of music that is hard to define. I never thought they were anywhere near "new wave" because they don't fit in any area that we can possibly define ... !!!
But the period from "English Settlement" to "Mummer", to "The Big Express" to "Skylarking" , is excellent and rivals ANY band that we consider "progressive" in their continual experimentation and work.
I can have fun with all the musical details in the definition of "progressive", "prog" or "metal" ... because XTC has done it all, inside out, backwards and forwards, and all that ... and we ignored it on purpose because of our definition!
Fun band to listen to with some unbelievable excellent things, that make some progressive bands sound like sh*t! |
XTC never did "metal" nor did they ever do "prog" or "progressive". Of course they were a frickin' New Wave band, they were the bloody epitome of "New Wave" (Swindon chapter 1977-82) and damn good at it they were too, you can't go around redefining the crap out of music genre just so it fits in with what you like.
Lots of bands were and are experimental (whatever the hell that means in this day and age when it comes to music), being experimental is not the sole province of Progressive Rock, (it isn't even a defining characteristic of Progressive Rock), nor is being original, or witty, or eclectic, or expansive, or avant, or alternative, or any other epithet you care to name. XTC were never a Prog Rock band.
XTC were a great band, Moulding and Partridge are a gifted guys and we should celebrate them for what they are, not try and shoe-horn them into this site.
(There were also painfully loud when I saw them, but still does not make them "metal"  )
And if you don't like our definitions then (quite frankly) go elsewhere where the definitions are more to you liking.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 18:17 |
The Truth wrote:
No.Can't a band be good without being considered progressive? |
You'd think...
Oh hey...they can! Look at that.
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 19:27 |
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I've always considered them a progressive band, I really didn't get on their bandwagon until English Settlement, but as they have been soundly rejected I just move on.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Gooner
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 19:47 |
I'd say XTC should be on www.progarchives.com solely on their period from "English Settlement" to "Skylarking". I mean...for the love of Mike...my fave Stackridge is here!!! and if you ask me (which nobody did) - Stackridge was doing the XTC thing a decade prior to. XTC should at least be on here for "prog related", especially since Dave Gregory is doing prog rock gigs and recordings with his own band Tin Spirits and Big Big Train. Like the band Elbow (another glaring omission here!), XTC were prog rock "without the solos". Harrumph! Harrumph! 
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 21:49 |
XTC.....great band and I have almost all of their cd's/lp's, but imo they aren't progressive in the way prog rock archives intend, but then I feel that way about bands that are here.
C'est la vie.........
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thellama73
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 21:57 |
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Wait, Oingo Boingo is here? When did that happen? Seriously, one of my favorite bands of all time, have all their albums, but not prog at all. Neither is XTC.
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Luna
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 21:58 |
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cough cough Buckethead cough cough
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 23:37 |
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Oingo Boingo was added recently, and I fully expected an uproar when that occurred. But I've not yet seen one!
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Dean
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Posted: July 01 2013 at 01:18 |
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chopper
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Posted: July 01 2013 at 06:42 |
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I've no idea who Oingo Boingo are but I'm with Dean on this one. XTC are one of my favourite bands but I don't see them as being "prog". Maybe we could wangle them an entry as prog-related via Dave Gregory but that's about it.
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