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    Posted: July 15 2005 at 09:56

Couldn't find this in any searches so hopefully it hasn't been done before.

I've read that the beginning of Supper's Ready (six saintly shrouded men) comes from a dream Peter Gabriel had and it's generally a good vs evil thing, but I'd be interested in people's interpretations e.g. what is Willow Farm?, who are Iknaton and Itsacon and their band of merry men?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 11:10

(Ĭknä´ten) or Akhenaton [Egyptian,=Aton is satisfied], d. c.1354 BC, king of ancient Egypt (c.1372-1354 BC), of the XVIII dynasty; son and successor of Amenhotep II

 'Itsacon' might be a wordgame, Genesis used often Puns and privat jokes, 'Band of Merry men' = Robin Hood ? Robin Hood shows up again in 'the battle of Epping Forest'.

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Explain the meaning of this song and share it"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 11:12
i think Iknaton and Itsacon is one of Gabriels word plays meaning "I natter on" and "it's a con" which seems to be consistent with his style of humor, got me on willow farm tho
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 11:57
The general accepted outline is as follows....
  • The protagonist (perhaps Peter himself) is surprised by the presumed possessing of his wife.
  • Meanwhile, the anti-Christ (The Guarunteed Eternal Sanctuary Man) is spreading false teachings and gathering a following.
  • The forces of the G.E.S.M. engage in battle with the righteous.  The outcome is unclear.
  • The survivors are bewildered in the ruins of the old world.
  • Willow Farm can mean any of the following
    • A meaningless contrasting device, possible since Willow Farm was written as a seperate song before the rest of the epic.
    • The passage of time before apocalypse and salvation.
    • The hedonism and confusion following the armageddon
  • The lovers witness the destruction of the innocent and righteous at the hands of 666, the serpent, et al.
  • Just when all seems lost, God ends the world, Jesus comes down, and brings the innocent to the New Jerusalem.

In esscence, its a psychedelic retelling of the book of Revelation told (partly) in the first person.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 16:47
Originally posted by beterdedthnred4 beterdedthnred4 wrote:

The general accepted outline is as follows....
  • The protagonist (perhaps Peter himself) is surprised by the presumed possessing of his wife.
  • Meanwhile, the anti-Christ (The Guarunteed Eternal Sanctuary Man) is spreading false teachings and gathering a following.
  • The forces of the G.E.S.M. engage in battle with the righteous.  The outcome is unclear.
  • The survivors are bewildered in the ruins of the old world.
  • Willow Farm can mean any of the following
    • A meaningless contrasting device, possible since Willow Farm was written as a seperate song before the rest of the epic.
    • The passage of time before apocalypse and salvation.
    • The hedonism and confusion following the armageddon
  • The lovers witness the destruction of the innocent and righteous at the hands of 666, the serpent, et al.
  • Just when all seems lost, God ends the world, Jesus comes down, and brings the innocent to the New Jerusalem.


In esscence, its a psychedelic retelling of the book of Revelation told (partly) in the first person.

Can I hum along to it though?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 17:18

(From the GENESIS FAQ)

What is Supper's Ready all about? Who is Gabble Ratchet?

"There was one particular incident that gave me the inspiration for Supper's Ready. There was this room at the top of Jill's (his wife) parents' house. The room was the coldest part of the house. I always used to get the shivers when I went in there. It was covered in strong purple and turquoise wallpaper. Everything was bright purple and turquoise. Anyway, we had this strange evening up there which ended with Jill feeling like she'd been possessed. It was extremely frightening. I don't know how to explain it - it was as if she had had a fit, or something. I experienced a sense of evil at that point - I saw another face in her face. I don't know how much of this was going on inside my head and how much was actually happening, but it was an experience I could not forget and was the starting point for a song about the struggle between good and evil." - Peter Gabriel

For a more unique explanation, this annotation comes from a program from the Foxtrot or early Selling England tours:

i) Lover's Leap

In which two lovers are lost in each other's eyes, and found again transformed in the bodies of another male and female.

ii) The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man

The lovers come across a town dominated by two characters: one a benevolent farmer, and the other the head of a highly disciplined scientific religion. The latter likes to be known as "The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man" and claims to contain a secret new ingredient capable of fighting fire. This is a falsehood, an untruth, a whopper and a taradiddle, or to put it in clearer terms; a lie.

iii) Ikhnaton and Itsacon and Their Band of Merry Men

Who the lovers see clad in grays and purples, awaiting to be summoned out of the ground. At the G.E.S.M.'s command they pour forth, from the bowels of the earth, to attack all those without an up-to-date "Eternal Life License" which were obtainable at the head office of the G.E.S.M.'s religion.

iv) How Dare I Be So Beautiful?

In which our intrepid heroes investigate the aftermath of the battle and discover a solitary figure, obsessed by his own image. They witness an unusual transmutation, and are pulled into their own reflections in the water.

v) Willow Farm

Climbing out of the pool, they are once again in a different existence. They're right in the middle of a myriad of bright colours, filled with all manner of objects, plants, animals and humans. Life flows freely and everything is mindlessly busy. At random, a whistle blows and every single thing is instantly changed into another.

vi) Apocalypse in 9/8 (Co-Starring the Delicious Talents of Gabble Ratchet)

At one whistle the lovers become seeds in the soil, where they recognize other seeds to be people from the world in which they had originated. While they wait for Spring, they are returned to their old world to see the Apocalypse of St. John in full progress. The seven trumpeters cause a sensation, the fox keeps throwing sixes, and Pythagoras (a Greek extra) is deliriously happy as he manages to put exactly the right amount of milk and honey on his corn flakes.

vii) As Sure as Eggs is Eggs (Aching Mens' Feet)

Above all else an egg is an egg. 'And did those feet ..............' making ends meet.

As for Gabble Ratchet - apparently it is the sound of wild geese that heralds the arrival of archangels (or something similar).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 22:27
 i feel so embarrist stuffing up that name. but anyway, fantastic song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 23:19

 

  Thanks for the explanations. Genesis with Peter Gabriel was just so deep I doubt anyone can pick up everything that the music contained. Someone did a master's thesis on The Lamb.

How wonderful to be so profound
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2005 at 23:22
Wow. I had no idea it was that detailed. Thank you for asking the question and the answers. And i think you can do a few master thesis's (thesisi??) on The Lamb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2005 at 01:07
I didnt realize that song was so deep....... i bet they could've written a whole concept album with that one idea
Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2005 at 06:51
Well they got halfway there
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2005 at 07:08
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

(From the GENESIS FAQ)

What is Supper's Ready all about? Who is Gabble Ratchet?

"There was one particular incident that gave me the inspiration for Supper's Ready. There was this room at the top of Jill's (his wife) parents' house. The room was the coldest part of the house. I always used to get the shivers when I went in there. It was covered in strong purple and turquoise wallpaper. Everything was bright purple and turquoise. Anyway, we had this strange evening up there which ended with Jill feeling like she'd been possessed. It was extremely frightening. I don't know how to explain it - it was as if she had had a fit, or something. I experienced a sense of evil at that point - I saw another face in her face. I don't know how much of this was going on inside my head and how much was actually happening, but it was an experience I could not forget and was the starting point for a song about the struggle between good and evil." - Peter Gabriel

For a more unique explanation, this annotation comes from a program from the Foxtrot or early Selling England tours:

i) Lover's Leap

In which two lovers are lost in each other's eyes, and found again transformed in the bodies of another male and female.

ii) The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man

The lovers come across a town dominated by two characters: one a benevolent farmer, and the other the head of a highly disciplined scientific religion. The latter likes to be known as "The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man" and claims to contain a secret new ingredient capable of fighting fire. This is a falsehood, an untruth, a whopper and a taradiddle, or to put it in clearer terms; a lie.

iii) Ikhnaton and Itsacon and Their Band of Merry Men

Who the lovers see clad in grays and purples, awaiting to be summoned out of the ground. At the G.E.S.M.'s command they pour forth, from the bowels of the earth, to attack all those without an up-to-date "Eternal Life License" which were obtainable at the head office of the G.E.S.M.'s religion.

iv) How Dare I Be So Beautiful?

In which our intrepid heroes investigate the aftermath of the battle and discover a solitary figure, obsessed by his own image. They witness an unusual transmutation, and are pulled into their own reflections in the water.

v) Willow Farm

Climbing out of the pool, they are once again in a different existence. They're right in the middle of a myriad of bright colours, filled with all manner of objects, plants, animals and humans. Life flows freely and everything is mindlessly busy. At random, a whistle blows and every single thing is instantly changed into another.

vi) Apocalypse in 9/8 (Co-Starring the Delicious Talents of Gabble Ratchet)

At one whistle the lovers become seeds in the soil, where they recognize other seeds to be people from the world in which they had originated. While they wait for Spring, they are returned to their old world to see the Apocalypse of St. John in full progress. The seven trumpeters cause a sensation, the fox keeps throwing sixes, and Pythagoras (a Greek extra) is deliriously happy as he manages to put exactly the right amount of milk and honey on his corn flakes.

vii) As Sure as Eggs is Eggs (Aching Mens' Feet)

Above all else an egg is an egg. 'And did those feet ..............' making ends meet.

As for Gabble Ratchet - apparently it is the sound of wild geese that heralds the arrival of archangels (or something similar).

Hardly suprising that "Lamb" comes from the same mind is it? Some striking similarities e.g Transformations, pools etc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 11:49

Thanks for all your replies, especially certif1ed, it makes for interesting reading.

Now who wants to start on Close To The Edge?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 12:16
I'm almost positive that Jon Anderson's lyrics don't actually mean anything. He just writes gibberish and calls it artistic. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 12:21

Originally posted by AbsentEnemy AbsentEnemy wrote:

I'm almost positive that Jon Anderson's lyrics don't actually mean anything. He just writes gibberish and calls it artistic. 

Yea, I Know. But still, the songs themselves are just amazingly good and Jon Anderson's voice ugh... Is something.... To dieeeee. foooorrrr

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 13:28
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Hardly suprising that "Lamb" comes from the same mind is it? Some striking similarities e.g Transformations, pools etc.



That must have been some fantastically powerful acid!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 13:56
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Hardly suprising that "Lamb" comes from the same mind is it? Some striking similarities e.g Transformations, pools etc.



That must have been some fantastically powerful acid!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 14:29
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Hardly suprising that "Lamb" comes from the same mind is it? Some striking similarities e.g Transformations, pools etc.



That must have been some fantastically powerful acid!


Apart from assumptions and rumors, has it been confirmed that Gabriel was on lots of drugs?  I prefer to think he wasnt, though I wouldnt be surprised if he was.  I've seen some live footage of Genesis and he looks pretty sober despite his odd antics.  It is possible to create really weird things without drugs, but it does seem unlikely...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 14:32
I read somewhere that Marillion were upset that people thought their song "Supper's nearly ready" was a rip off of this Genesis classic.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 15:17
If you read any of the books of Armando Gallo's that he's written on Genesis, it states clearly that Gabriel NEVER used drugs. He's just naturally strange. The other's though were all druggies, especially lots of pot. I have the first edition of Armando Gallo's book "Genesis-The Evolution of a Rock Band," and it contains many photos of the early band and its members not used in later editions. One clearly shows Phil Collins rolling a joint. There are several other photos where you can clearly tell that the band just smoked out. But Gabriel looks straight as an arrow in all of them. One shot in particular shows a group photo circa 74' or early 75' (with Gabriel in face make-up, still with the long hair parted wide in front) where the whole band is obviously wasted on weed. Just looking at the photo makes you high. Steve Hackett is so stoned that he looks Japanese. He's still a pot-head. A recent album of his contains a track called "Marijuana-Assasin of Youth." Isn't weed still a staple of writing prog and listening to prog? The far right and the religious are scared of prog, and their simplistic and limited minds cannot venture into such evil music experimentaion spurred by the devil! The pop Collins era Genesis is all they can handle with it's dumb syrupy-sweet and hugely boring pop ditties. Once again I must state that what real prog-fan could ever listen to the 3 man Collins era Genesis after the true greatness and musical capibilites of the Gabriel/Hackett era band? I know I'm pissing off some here, but you'll never change my mind. Anytime from "And then there were Three" forward is a yawn. And yes I know that Genesis-pop was better than other pop. But again, because of their brilliant writing and performing abilities only. Easy money for them. They (Genesis) say they are hugely proud of their early work. Sure, they were hungry then, and the group made a real effort to produce quality art. All of that ended with the departures of Peter and Steve. Can anyone really listen to songs like "Turn it on Again" after the epic brilliance of track such as "Supper's Ready?" PLEASE GIVE US A REUNION! If Van Der Graff can pull it off so well, why not the classic Genesis?       

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