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timothy leary 
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:17 |
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For as long as I have been coming to this site the top ten albums have been the same. Like the ten commandments, are they written in stone?? Is there any chance a new artist can break into the top ten and stay there? Who would it be? Is it really so progressive if nobody can come along and outdo the pioneers?
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:23 |
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The top ten will likely stay the top ten simply because it is doubtful that any new artist will have not only high enough ratings (4.40+ average), but enough ratings (600+) in order to cement a place in the top ten.
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:23 |
I think it could happen, but it's sort of one of those cyclical things ... those albums are the best known, so they get the most votes, but also because they are in the top 10, most newbies will check them out and so they'll just get more well known.
Earlier this year, Phideaux's Snowtorch broke the top ten briefly, so some modern acts are getting enough followers to create enough hype to compete. If one of these artists releases a truly classic release, it could happen.
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timothy leary
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:31 |
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So are the top ten the best albums or really just the most rated?
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:31 |
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^ the best albums from the most rated. ;)
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timothy leary
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:33 |
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So would you also agree perhaps some people rate these albums so highly just from peer pressure and not a true liking of the album?
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 11:19 |
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No.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:37 |
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I'm eagerly waiting for a new album that will have the same impact as these top releases. Shouldn't that be considered as well when ranking an album?
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Horizons
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:38 |
Grace for Drowning could do it.
With popularity and the album being Swilson's Top 3 best works.
Edited by Horizons - October 29 2011 at 12:38
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:39 |
 harmonium.ro wrote:
^ the best albums from the most rated. ;) |
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Theriver
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:01 |
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I have most of the top ten album but rarely listen to them
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:09 |
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I have all the top ten and listen to them all regularly except the Genesis & DSOTM which are all currently suffering from overplay.
I'd like to see the Anglagard and Harmonium in the top 10.
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timothy leary
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:17 |
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If you look at these top ten rated albums and click on show all reviews a lot of the reviews are not really reviews but really ratings with words. They say nothing about the album other than I like it. Many even state what can I say about an album which has hundreds of reviews.
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Epignosis
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:22 |
Horizons wrote:
Grace for Drowning could do it.
With popularity and the album being Swilson's Top 3 best works. |
Doubtful. Only three collaborators have reviewed it, and a large number of the five-star reviews pouring in are from folks just joining the site to give GfD full accolades (possibly a SW buzz patrol of some sort). Should a few collaborators express negative reviews of the album, the rating would drop significantly.
I have heard GfD once. It is a far cry better than Insurgentes, but I thought it was very uneven. However, it takes me a while to let music sink in, so my review (if I write one) will likely be a ways off.
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:48 |
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You can't dethrone the King.
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 13:58 |
I think dethroning the top ten is manifestly possible but extremely, extremely hard.
Most people here are going to agree that the old classic albums from the golden era of prog are great. They're the foundational documents of the genre, if you honestly don't like them then it's doubtful you'll spend much time on a prog site at all.
When it comes to newer stuff, there's going to be a faction of people who just don't like new stuff at all, a faction who like it but want it to sound like something clearly and obviously descended from the classic prog sound, and a faction who like new stuff and positively embrace new sounds that don't sound anything like older prog. It's going to be very, very difficult indeed to put out a new album which will be embraced by all parties to a sufficient extent that it breaks the top ten.
Still, as others have pointed out Steve Wilson might manage it.
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timothy leary
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 14:21 |
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Is Neal Morse a better candidate than wilson or does religion get in the way?
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 14:50 |
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Based on what I've heard of his solo career, I'd say that religion might be a factor, but even if you strip that out I find he's an acquired taste, musically speaking.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 14:55 |
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Before we tackle the issue of new bands, we need to bring up some of the more experimental '70s stuff up in the chart to make some well deserved repairs. I mean, there are three CAN albums in the RYM top 15 for progressive rock, why can't we bring just one in the top 10?
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Posted: October 29 2011 at 15:23 |
timothy leary wrote:
Is Neal Morse a better candidate than wilson or does religion get in the way? |
Neal Morse is bad.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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