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twosteves
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Topic: Do prog bands owe anything to their fans? Posted: March 16 2011 at 22:20 |
It's generally known that Yes fans always wanted one last tour with Moraz --to give fans old and young a last chance to see music from that period recreated---and Genesis fans want a tour with Steve Hackett---I mean Steve and Patrick are available---I mean even if they had called on Steve during the Calling All Stations period (when Phil left)---it would have pleased fans and probably produced an interesting album----- do these bands owe it to the fans to occasionally give them what they want? They always are saying we owe everything to the fans that stuck with us----but they rarely give us what we want! The only exception for these two bands was the ABWH formation (many fans wanted to see Bruford back with the boys)
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 02:40 |
Maybe but I think ability to deliver and commercial considerations often overtake things. Record companies want albums that can be played on the radio and this is always contrary to what prog fans actually want (long complex peices of music).Also its easier for bands to settle into a comfort zone. For instance Rush havn't made anything remotely 'interesting' for about 25 years.They have written plenty of decent songs though but hardly pushing any boundaries. If Hackett returned to Genesis and they made a new album would it be 'interesting'? I have my doubts.Hackett left in the first place because the band had got too soft for his liking and he couldn't get his ideas through.
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 03:58 |
Yeah, I want my money back.
Bands and artists can do whatever they want. If I don't like it, I'll go elsewhere. Thanks to the internet that is easier than ever. I always felt I was kind of being strung along when greats of the '70's went commercial.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 04:08 |
Their only obligation is to believe the product they are currently selling is good and to accurately represent it. Anything else is ridiculous.
Edited by Henry Plainview - March 17 2011 at 04:09
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 05:11 |
When making live performances they have a direct contact with the fans, so I think it's not so ridiculous. I can't pretend that Gilmour and Waters make an album together to satisfy the old fans, but when Pete Bardens joined Latimer on stage in 1984 it was really a good moment (the only good moment in that live, really).
Making albums is a thing, going on stage is different.
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 06:16 |
I don't think any creative person is obliged to do anything. Creating something has to be an act of free will (however you wish to define such a term) or it's quality is immediately suspect. I think the artist should be able to do what he likes, how he likes and however much of it, as he likes. This, I think, is the key to getting good music, good art. Otherwise it's basically what we proggers despise most, isn't it? Selling out.
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twosteves
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 08:08 |
I was talking only of a tour--not an album---many of these groups tour more frequently than they record--because most prog albums don't make money---tours do--that's why Yes has been touring non-stop they need money---I'm a Yes fanatic and saw the current line-up--it was not very good and I won't be going again---give me musicians I want to hear live and I'll buy a ticket.
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 08:28 |
Actually ELP owes me $30 for such a shambolic album as 'In The Hot Seat'... had to post that.
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 08:32 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Actually ELP owes me $30 for such a shambolic album as 'In The Hot Seat'... had to post that. |
I think Victory records owe it to you actually. It's the album they wanted not the album ELP wanted.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 08:41 |
No, I don't think so. These guys are pretty old and tired now. They've done their bit. I would love to see them all back together of course, but not if the only reason was because they felt they owed their young generation of fans something. You can always spot a band who is doing something they love, and one who is doing it because it's expected of them. In my opinion anyway..
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 10:09 |
Personally, I find just about all these old timer reunions to be disappointing. They can never really recapture the magic they once had, so they are basically playing old songs with less energy (though often, like with Yes, with just as much conviction as the old days).
I used to wish for the old Floyd to get back together, but then I saw the Live 8 performance........pretty poor. The Genesis reunion seemed like a great idea at first, but I realized that even if the 1971-1974 lineup had been there for the tour, it would NOT have been just material from that time frame, and I'd have had to sit through music I didn't like just to hear the classics. I now suspect that the three man line up was the plan all along, with maybe a show or two with Hackett and Gabriel to please the "old" fans (and let's face it, the number of people that wanted to see the 5 piece lineup would have been tiny compared to the number that wanted to see the 3 piece).
But in general, artists owe their fans nothing really. Had they been worried about what their fans wanted back in the 70's, they would not have made the excellent and groundbreaking works that they did.
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 10:49 |
Leave it up to the tribute bands to play the old material. In many cases they do abetter job of it.
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 11:06 |
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 11:08 |
I think the only obligation they have towards their fans is to write the best music they can.
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 12:55 |
I think that most bands appreciate the fact that it is the fans who have provided them with whatever measure of success that they achieved, but that doesn't mean that they should merely do something in order to please. For instance, let's say that Yes did get Moraz and Anderson back for one last gig/tour. There would be just as many people, if not more, moaning about the fact that Wakeman wasn't present. Ditto Bruford - plenty would say that White should be present.
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 12:57 |
twosteves wrote:
do these bands owe it to the fans to occasionally give them what they want? |
No.
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 14:16 |
...and we don't owe them anything either. They got paid, we got the goods, transaction complete.
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What?
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 14:25 |
Nah don't owe me anything......strictly talking about tours (as that was the OP question). Its my issue that I did not get a chance to see Genesis back in the day or Yes, Pink Floyd. For whatever reason I was not in the right place at the right time.
Over the past 10yrs though I have been changing that, going to as many shows as I can. I don't know what kind of show Yes would put on with the "old members"?
Would it come to happen, I would only hope it would be half as good as what Rush have been doing the past 10yrs on tour.....That is one group that gives you one hell of a show for the price of tickets today.
...and Iron Maiden too
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 14:30 |
Pink Floyd @ Live 8, poor?
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lazland
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Posted: March 17 2011 at 15:04 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
Pink Floyd @ Live 8, poor?
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Yes, I thought they were exceptional as well, and it wasn't just the nostalgia or atmosphere of the day either.
Perhaps they were so good because they haven't spent years together trundling out the same old tours and material (yes, I know that they have done tracks as solo artists, but I think that is different). Others have mentioned Rush, who still turn out excellent new material. Ditto Van Der Graaf. Marillion, my idols, are still making challenging new music.
Yes, on the other hand, have simply churned out reunion tour after reunion tour, without so much as a quaver of new music. Worse, they have become a parody in my opinion, a sort of tribute to a tribute band.
I had the pleasure and privilege of seeing the Six Of The Best Genesis/Gabriel reunion gig in 1982. It was a one off, and I personally feel that it should be left at that. It would seem that Gabriel agrees. There, by the way, is another artist who doesn't simply rest on his laurels, but only tours when he has new material to present (albeit only every 15 years or so ![Unhappy Unhappy](smileys/smiley6.gif) ).
An exception to the point I made about Floyd above were ELP last year. Now there's a band who should never have been persuaded.
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