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The Hemulen
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Topic: Foreign Lyrics Posted: June 15 2005 at 02:40 |
I've read many a post on this forum writing off the likes of Banco Del
Mutuo Soccorso as unlistenable because they sing in their native
tongue. So my question is - are they a problem for YOU, and if so, why?
How do they impair your enjoyment? Or do you, like me, rather
appreciate foreign vocals which transform the voice into another
instrument (something I love anyway).
By the way, any Yes fans who say they hate foreign lyrics deserve to be laughed at derisively.
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con safo
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 02:42 |
I love them, like you said its just like another instrument. I think
spanish sounds really cool with any music, its a much more beautiful
language than english.
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the musical box
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 02:42 |
I belive it can really add to the music, Sigur Ros is a prime example. and Jon Anderson
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 02:45 |
Singing in native language is charming and makes the music more exciting ...besides, English is a foreign language to most people on earth
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the musical box
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 02:47 |
flowerchild wrote:
Singing in native language is charming and makes the music more exciting |
Not only that, but singers struggling through vocal duites in a second
language can lessen or even ruin the musical experience.....AHEM, Eloy...
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 02:53 |
Hybris from Anglagurd is entirly in swedish and I love it. There is nothing wrong with using a native language.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 02:55 |
the musical box wrote:
flowerchild wrote:
Singing in native language is charming and makes the music more exciting |
Not only that, but singers struggling through vocal duites in a second
language can lessen or even ruin the musical experience.....AHEM, Eloy...
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VERY TRUE.
I really don't understand people who don't like it. DallasBryan, for
example, always favours albums by foreign groups who either sing in
English or keep their traps shut - a fact that always perplexes me.
Edited by Trouserpress
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 02:55 |
The music is the only thing that matters.
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 02:57 |
Trouserpress wrote:
I've read many a post on this forum writing off the likes of Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso as unlistenable because they sing in their native tongue. So my question is - are they a problem for YOU, and if so, why? How do they impair your enjoyment? Or do you, like me, rather appreciate foreign vocals which transform the voice into another instrument (something I love anyway).
By the way, any Yes fans who say they hate foreign lyrics deserve to be laughed at derisively.
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For me too; I'm italian and quite the whole prog sounds me like "another instrument"
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Paco Fox
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 03:18 |
Being spanish, most of the music I listen to is sung in another language (Spain is mostly a pop country, and I like few of the Spanish prog groups). And that's an advantage for several reasons!:
- I can listen, if I want to, to the vocals as another instrument, as it has been stated in earlier posts. Even though I speak english I can easily do so. An exception would be sometimes italian, wich is very similar to spanish.
- Then, if the lyrics are either not the kind I like or objetively sh*tty, I still can appreciate the record.
- I can love a song at first for the music, and then, several days/months/years after I can rediscover the song reading and translating the lyrics and rejoice in how fabulous it is (a recent example: The Chequered Flag, by Jethro Tull.
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 03:24 |
I love classic Italian prog, but I must admit I find the fact that I barely understand a word to be quite frustrating ... are there any good Italian sites with prog lyrics I can then use a translator programme on? Didn't find any on italianprog.com
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 03:29 |
I listen to a bit of dark folky stuff - Tenhi, later Empyrium (why can't I remember any more? ) - that tends to be in the native language and I should think sounds a lot better than it would in English. Then there's Angizia who do weird arty operatic metal in German which works really well. On the whole I'd prefer if a band sings in its native language, since it's bound to bring more variation to the music as compared to English-speaking (as a first language) groups. Oh, except for death metal - I couldn't say what language that's in anyway
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 04:27 |
I usually prefer bands that sing in their native language instead of
trying to sing in English and sounding ridiculous.. But it's the music
that matters to me!
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 04:42 |
I would prefer for them all to shut up completely, but since that's not going to happen, I would rather they sung in English, allowing me to understand their bullsh*t, so I can once more dismiss the inane lyrics as bullsh*t.
Seriously, are the lyrics really that special and counter-universal that only your fellow countrymen will get the idea? If you just don't know English - haven't learned in school, the chances are that your country just flat out suck, and you do too.
I know you think it's all high and holy, not to mention damn friggin intellectual when some fool sings in Italian. But in fact, he's just a major goofhead who never went to school.
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 04:57 |
Foreign language is not an impediment to well constructed music. As
Flowerchild said, foreign is English to a great many people. When
Andrea Bocelli sings in his own tongue it sounds incredibly beautiful
but when he sings in English it can sometimes sound stilted and
somewhat uncomfortable despite his beautiful voice, because it is not
natural.
I think it can also depend on the root structure of the music.
Bilingual native singers who have adapted their traditional styles to
modern rock and know the idiosyncrasies that exist within the context
of meaning between a traditional language and its interpretation into
English can avoid alot of the pitfalls that occur when fitting a lyric
to the melody where the traditional language dichotomy does not
adequately fit into the rythmic base of the music they have
created.
I love the lyric content of songs but I dont' let that be an impediment
to my appreciation of the holistic musical experience otherwise I may
be missing out on something special.
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 05:29 |
WiguJimbo wrote:
I usually prefer bands that sing in their native language instead of trying to sing in English and sounding ridiculous.. But it's the music that matters to me! |
I agree. English crunched up by non-native English speakers/singers, sounds unsophisticated and too often jarring, and found amongst usually very sophisticated instrumental playing and arrangements. There are only a few European bands that sing English convincingly, Anekdoten, Ibis (on Sun Supreme), and Wigwam employed a Brit vocalist. Too often prog lyrics in whatever language are abstract, metaphysical and often twaddle, so does it matter that jibberish is sung in English (Accrington branch), Gaelic or Russian, or the 357th dialect of Urdu?
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 07:18 |
No problem for me, do you understand Kobaian?
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 07:25 |
Poxx wrote:
I would prefer for them all to shut up
completely, but since that's not going to happen, I would rather they
sung in English, allowing me to understand their bullsh*t, so I can
once more dismiss the inane lyrics as bullsh*t.
Seriously, are the lyrics really that special and counter-universal
that only your fellow countrymen will get the idea? If you just don't
know English - haven't learned in school, the chances are that your
country just flat out suck, and you do too.
I know you think it's all high and holy, not to mention
damn friggin intellectual when some fool sings in Italian.
But in fact, he's just a major goofhead who never went to school. |
Why does everyone have to sing in english?
You're obviously not that smart if you've never heard of a translator.
ABBA are the best foreign prog band for singing in english
I always enjoy a good bit of Latin...Gaudete, Gaudete. Christus est
natus. ex maria virgine Gaudete! (if memory serves me correctly)
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 07:28 |
Poxx wrote:
I would prefer for them all to shut up
completely, but since that's not going to happen, I would rather they
sung in English, allowing me to understand their bullsh*t, so I can
once more dismiss the inane lyrics as bullsh*t.
Seriously, are the lyrics really that special and counter-universal
that only your fellow countrymen will get the idea? If you just don't
know English - haven't learned in school, the chances are that your
country just flat out suck, and you do too.
I know you think it's all high and holy, not to mention
damn friggin intellectual when some fool sings in Italian.
But in fact, he's just a major goofhead who never went to school. |
Posts like this really depress me.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: June 15 2005 at 07:30 |
It all depends... Opeth, The Flower Kings, Pain Of Salvation,
Anekdoten, and many other favorites of mine don't sing in their native
language, and I still love it...
...on the other hand, I also adore many groups who don't sing in English, like Banco.
To be perfectly honest, I almost always listen to the voice as another
instrument, even if it's in English... I'm not a big fan of
lyrics, most lyrics suck. The melody and delivery is more
important, I'd rather hear bad lyrics with good melody/delivery than
good lyrics delivered plainly.
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