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Posted: January 18 2011 at 13:48
stupid country. Heard this on the radio a few days ago and thought it was a joke. I guess banning songs over 20 years old is our way of trying to turn heads from the fact that we STILL haven't pulled out of Afghanistan even though we were supposed to have by now.
Joined: February 16 2006
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Posted: January 18 2011 at 14:17
Ah, I think I've pieced this together. My wager is that LGBT (lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, transgender)-aligned groups have lobbied the Canadian government to "ban" (from radio broadcast? Can't imagine the Mounties knocking on doors and confiscating albums) this song, because it contains the word "fa****".
Joined: March 23 2005
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Posted: January 18 2011 at 14:24
Padraic wrote:
Ah, I think I've pieced this together. My wager is that LGBT (lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, transgender)-aligned groups have lobbied the Canadian government to "ban" (from radio broadcast? Can't imagine the Mounties knocking on doors and confiscating albums) this song, because it contains the word "fa****".
That's pretty good detective work Padraic. I never even knew that word was in the song until now.
Joined: May 27 2005
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Posted: January 18 2011 at 14:25
Padraic wrote:
Ah, I think I've pieced this together. My wager is that LGBT (lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, transgender)-aligned groups have lobbied the Canadian government to "ban" (from radio broadcast? Can't imagine the Mounties knocking on doors and confiscating albums) this song, because it contains the word "fa****".
Same craps makes me angry with the Pogues song "Fairytale of New York."
Same thing with the "n****r" controvert in that new edition of Huck Finn, though that has a slightly better reasoning (the fault is still on school boards and uptight conservatives who want to control words their kids probably won't even read because they're too busy sexting and having unprotected sex at 12 because of the failure of abstinence-only sex ed programs)
Censorship makes me very angry. I would probably have had an amateurism at my age if I was cognizant when the PMRC was sh*tting up album covers and hauling in Rob Halford to testify that his lyrics weren't causing kids to kill themselves.
God, I dread I'll become a bitter old bitch like all of them. Gotta stay young and socially liberal, somehow.
Joined: February 16 2006
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Posted: January 18 2011 at 15:33
Quick blurb from wiki:
In January 2011, the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC) ruled that the unedited version of the song was unacceptable for air play on private Canadian radio stations, as it breached the Canadian Association of Broadcasters' (CAB) Code of Ethics and their Equitable Portrayal Code.[6][7] The CBSC concluded that "like other racially driven words in the English language, 'fa****' is one that, even if entirely or marginally acceptable in earlier days, is no longer so."[6] The CBSC's proceedings came in response to a radio listener's Ruling Request stemming from a playing of the song by CHOZ-FM in St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, which in turn followed the radio listener's dissatisfaction with the radio station's reply to their complaint about a gay slur in the lyrics.[6][8] Not all Stations abided by this ruling, however -- CIRK-FM in Edmonton[9] and CFRQ-FM in Halifax[10] both played the unedited version of Money for Nothing repeatedly for one hour out of protest.[11]
Joined: November 02 2010
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Posted: January 18 2011 at 15:55
What I read was that this was a decision by the broadcast council, which is, I guess, a private organization? If their decisions are not backed by government force, then I don't see the big deal.
As I understand it, stations voluntarily sign on to this broadcast council. People are quick to cry "censorship" regardless of who's making the decision to censor, but it's not all the same. This does not sound like government censorship, in which case it's much ado about nothing.
Same thing with the "n****r" controvert in that new edition of Huck Finn, though that has a slightly better reasoning (the fault is still on school boards and uptight conservatives who want to control words their kids probably won't even read because they're too busy sexting and having unprotected sex at 12 because of the failure of abstinence-only sex ed programs)
You think the Huck Finn controversy is conservatives' fault? And how on earth does this tie into abstinence-only education? Your caricature is funny, but unfair, and seems completely unrelated to the issue at hand.
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Posted: January 18 2011 at 16:02
Stupid. The words are spoken by a third person (The furniture mover) to demonstrate his ignorance (He thinks someone is gay cos they wear an earing). Why should music be treated differently than other arts. I can't imagine if this was a play they would ban it!
Joined: May 27 2005
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Posted: January 18 2011 at 18:09
Hanyou wrote:
What I read was that this was a decision by the broadcast council,
which is, I guess, a private organization? If their decisions are not
backed by government force, then I don't see the big deal.
As
I understand it, stations voluntarily sign on to this broadcast
council. People are quick to cry "censorship" regardless of who's
making the decision to censor, but it's not all the same. This does not
sound like government censorship, in which case it's much ado about
nothing.
Censoring art is almost always wrong, regardless of who is doing it. That's not to say a private organization can not decide what to play on it's airwaves, but that doesn't make bowing to pressure to have a song banned because it has a "bad word" the right decision
Hanyou wrote:
Same thing with the "n****r" controvert in that new edition of Huck Finn, though that has a slightly better reasoning (the fault is still on school boards and uptight conservatives who want to control words their kids probably won't even read because they're too busy sexting and having unprotected sex at 12 because of the failure of abstinence-only sex ed programs)
You think the Huck Finn controversy is conservatives' fault? And how on earth does this tie into abstinence-only education? Your caricature is funny, but unfair, and seems completely unrelated to the issue at hand.
Huck Finn is often not taught in schools because of the "language" in most versions (re: "n****r"). The "PC" version of the book would not even have a reason to exist if it weren't just to get it in public schools (which is the publisher's desire). So, the b*****dization that is this pressing is a result of pressure from school boards and parents to get books with "bad words," among other things, out of the school curriculum.
Now you're going to make me explain the rest of it? Geez. OK fine. The last part is meant to highlight the misguided and woefully backward thinking of censors in this case. Their goal is to shield children from bad language and sexual situations (and witchcraft, in some cases. lol) in the books in the curriculum, all the while the kids are most likely doing much, much worse stuff outside of class. The abstinence-only bit plays into the fear of parents that if their kids learn about sex, they'll do it. which just goes to show that parents are blind and out of touch. People have sex. It is one of the most basic things. Once hormones kick in, sex.
All this is born out of a conservative social mindset, which I often rail against, because on many issues, it is very, very dumb, and often imposes bad science, fear tactics, and half-truths in hopes of attaining some sort of moral society.
At least it was funny, as you say. it was supposed to be a rant, not a philosophical thesis.
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Posted: January 18 2011 at 18:40
I suppose this means Zappa's Bobby Brown will not be hitting the airwaves up north?
Actually, there was actually some controversy about the use of "little fa****" even back in the day. I remember seeing at least one live set where Knopfler substituted "little queenie" for the offending words.
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