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    Posted: November 24 2010 at 06:45
Hi all. Been listening to a lot of varied music lately and after the recent Howe/Hackett poll and other polls about Gilmour, Fripp, Zappa, etc.I started thinking about other excellent guitar players who don't get the credit and appreciation they deserve outside prog circles. I didn't want to make a random list and do a poll. I'm really interested to hear who my fellow PA members come up with. It may introduce me, and maybe others, to some players we don't know.

For me there are 2 obvious ones: Martin Barre of Jethro Tull and Gary Green of Gentle Giant. Outside of fans of these bands you don't hear much about how great these 2 are. They were such integral parts of those bands, it's impossible to imagine anyone else contributing some of the amazing work they did to JT and GG.

Have fun with this. Looking forward to seeing your thoughts!! Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 07:15
One of my favorite guitarists whom no one ever mentions is Bill Nelson of Be Bop Deluxe. He's very creative and has a unique style.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 07:31
Bill Nelson is a good call, as are the 2 guitarists in Lone Star.
 
My guitar playing is unappreciated - my family tell me to be quiet and the cats run off as soon as I start unzipping the case. Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 07:37
Tony T.S. Mcphee  and Huw Lloyd Langton . oh and of course Roye Albrighton '

Under appreciated ? or just not well known ? ether way all wonderful Guitarists .




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 07:40
This may sound mad....but Alex Lifeson. What with Geddy Lee and Neil Peart being in the same band, Alex seems to be underappreciated by people. Well...I think so anyway. I think he is a great guitarist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 07:42
These fantastic players came to my mind:

Steve Stevens, Phil Miller, Larry Carlton, Vernon Reid, Antymos Apostolis, Dave Clempson, Kelvyn Bell ...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 07:56
Kerry Livgren!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 08:10
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

This may sound mad....but Alex Lifeson. What with Geddy Lee and Neil Peart being in the same band, Alex seems to be underappreciated by people. Well...I think so anyway. I think he is a great guitarist.
He is a great guitarist! He has a very distinctive sound and I like his inventive solo's. Even when he was younger for example...during the "Farewell To Kings" tour he wasn't fitting into the rock star image totally. He had the long hair and dressed like a medium not extreme fashion bug rocker. Many times he would stand in the shadows like Paul Kossoff did with the band Free. However he did perform for Rock audiences for decades. Mixed audiences not just proggers. His image as a rock guitarist was surpressed and he became under appreaciated by hard rock music fans to a larger degree. Which is probably fine by him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 08:16
I agree about Alex Lifeson. Just listen to the first solo in La Villa Strangiato.

I would also like to suggest that Adam Jones of Tool is unappreciated. The palette of textures that he creates are unique and integral to the sound of the band. And he doesn't jump around like a monkey while delivering a wall of sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 08:33
Jan Akkerman in his Focus years was easily up there with Howe and Hackett in terms of creativity and probably better technically, but never gets the same kudos in 'all time great' polls sadly.

Donald Roeser of Blue Oyster Cult is a really skilful and creative guitarist, and Eric Stuart of 10cc is another who did some great stuff - not the most technically brilliant but an excellent lead guitarist and soloist.
"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 08:39
I hope it's okay to mention some crossover guitarists that hailed from the 60's?
 
Mike Bloomfield.....his phrasing with the Blues is the most outstanding thing on earth to me. "Albert's Shuffle" is the prime example. There were things I did not enjoy about the Super Session album. It's mainly Bloomfield I was interested in. His intense acoustic Ragtime playing on "Blues, Gospel, and Ragtime Guitar" is in league with Steve Howe's "The Clap". He is a progressive guitarist that indulged in Blues music. A few times he gets sloppy and has a very bad singing voice, but wait till he starts soloing? When I was a kid,...everyone knew him! You could walk down the street and ask a huddle of hippies who Mike Bloomfield was and they would give you the gawking look and ask you if you were born stupied? He hosted rock festivals and was one of the most original guitarists ever with a well respected reputation in N.Y. He was just as popular as Hendrix and Clapton in the 60's but somehow got swept to the wayside.

Albert Lee from the band Heads, Hands & Feet was a magnificent player with multitudes of diversity. Just an amazing player no doubt. I often followed these types of players even though they did not play in Progressive Rock bands. If I didn't enjoy the style of music their bands played, I would wait patiently for their guitar solos. It was worth it because many guitar players that get stuck in the wrong band or play a style of music which you do not prefer, more often play in a dimensional way that cannot always be heard on a Gentle Giant album.

Peter Green.....How did he get that sound? That fire? He would always hold back! He hated the entire "Rock Star" mentality and so he hired Jeremy Spencer to cover that ground and later he hired Danny Kirwan to take attention from himself. He can be caught truly breaking loose during live jams from the "Boston Tea Party" tapes. To explain his impact on lead guitar...one must think of themselves in a straight jacket while playing repeating chord progressions....then comes your turn to play and you break free from the straight jacket playing with powerful phrasing and the overall impact that many guitarists can not reach. He is that incredible but, you have to investigate his history because as I said he holds back.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 08:55
One of my personal favorite guitarists, who never seems to appear in polls or lists is Ozric Tentacles's Ed Wynne; a stunning guitar player, be it in virtual ambience, or full on wig-out - colour, subtlety, flair, restraint, flashy & technically brilliant - all in the same package.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 09:01
Great stuff folks. I almost mentioned Alex Lifeson myself, but glad you did. He has got such a unique style and does soooo much. Also, I'm a big Roye Albrighton and Larry Carlton fan.

Will have to check out some of the others mentioned!! Bravo!Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 09:23
Martin Barre is definately underated as is John McLaughlin.
 
I also think a guitarist how deserves greater appreciation is Joe Kopecky of Kopecky and currently The Secret Society Of Starfish. He plays with feel despite being quite technical and often pretty heavy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 09:29
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Bill Nelson is a good call, as are the 2 guitarists in Lone Star.
 
My guitar playing is unappreciated - my family tell me to be quiet and the cats run off as soon as I start unzipping the case. Cry

My cat also runs away when I play the first notes, as well as my family.

I would also add Andrew Latimer, who is a fantastic guitarist but really unappreciated and very seldom mentioned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 09:30
Martin Barre is definitely a good one, everybody seems to think Jethro Tull is just Anderson, but Barre proves differently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 10:10
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

My guitar playing is unappreciated - my family tell me to be quiet and the cats run off as soon as I start unzipping the case. Cry
The same happens to me Tongue except I have two dogs LOL
I am you and what I see is ME!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 10:21
http://ic2.pbase.com/o2/00/534500/1/98671814.qEhjTxuZ.IMG_11881.jpg

Edited by Epignosis - November 24 2010 at 10:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 10:24
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

http://ic2.pbase.com/o2/00/534500/1/98671814.qEhjTxuZ.IMG_11881.jpg
 
Another great one. Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2010 at 11:12
Bernard Falaise from Miriodor, Kunio Suma from Bi Kyo Ran and I know he's not on PA but Marc Ducret has done some wonderful abstract playing especially on his big band piece Le Sens de la Marche (probably spelt that wrong!).  Fred Frith's playing is great although I don't think he's particularly underrated.
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