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    Posted: September 11 2010 at 02:39
Have a look at this "controversial" video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4XJQO3qol8

I agree 100% ... what's the big deal? Why should anyone be offended - and isn't it kind of ironic that before the announced burning of the Qur'an books by Terry Jones we see Islamists protesting in the streets, burning American flags in the process?Wink
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 02:48
I was watching CNN en Espanhol and they were quoting tweets. Christ, why am I admitting this? Anyway, one of them quoted some saying that went "as I fought my enemy, I became my enemy." So yeah, burn Korans and then tell me just how exactly you differ from the flag-burners.
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 02:51
Exactly.Smile

EDIT: But the question is: Are both equally bad and horrible, or are both equally unimportant and pointless.


Edited by Mr ProgFreak - September 11 2010 at 03:00
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"DON'T BURN OUR BOOK ... OR ELSE!"
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How many ardent followers are willing to die for [x] because [x] is the greatest thing ever while [y] is the work of the devil?

Pretty stupid.
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 03:23
^ Sure - and neither x nor y have any solid evidence. But this is kind of leading back into the religious debate. While I agree with you, the other point that I'm trying to make here in a sort of clandestine way is that destroying symbols of belief is a silly and pointless thing to do. Well, at least when you destroy copies of symbols that you own - destroying someone else's property (or important property in the public domain) is a completely different issue.
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Those who start by burning books will end up by burning bodies.
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 03:25
^ I guess that depends on their motivation for burning the books.
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Points: 12294 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 03:29
Well, let the lessons of history be the harshest critic of all.
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Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Well, let the lessons of history be the harshest critic of all.
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Symbols of religious and national power simply act as a platform for a given group of people to stand up and say they're swell while others are lame. Attacking those symbols subverts the ego-boost granted by the colourful rag or the noodly textbook. Suddenly, Islam/America aren't so hot.

It all boils down to inter-group dynamics which, in turn, are generally pretty stupid. Groups blow.
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 03:32
^^^ If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, it wasn't just the burning of books, but it was done for very specific reasons and it wasn't like people were burning their own copies of books, but books which represented certain ideologies and philosophies were forcefully taken from their owners and then burnt. 

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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^^^ If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, it wasn't just the burning of books, but it was done for very specific reasons and it wasn't like people were burning their own copies of books, but books which represented certain ideologies and philosophies were forcefully taken from their owners and then burnt. 


I know you know what I'm referring to.

As Walter said, group dynamics and social herding blow. Burning books is yet more nonsense that history will ultimately prove to be a folly of modern humanity. I honestly wish to be alive in 1000 years to see how our children view our utter collective stupidity and ignorance.
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Theft is theft, no matter how you dice it, slice it or set it ablaze.

This makes me wonder... where do people get those flags they burn? I doubt they steal them from the American consulate. They might just be cheap 'made in China' things.
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 03:42
So we're all f**king stupid.
I won't disagree.

The Amazing God Damn Atheist maybe a bit moreso Wink
That video didn't say anything mind blowing really
I don't disagree but, well yeah what a pointless video. Not one word he said was anything interesting or new
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Everything is made in China.LOL
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The video makes a good point. But you cannot draw the line there, radicals from anywhere will take it much further. Just watch some ' necklacing' scenes from South Africa from the 80's/90's to get an idea.
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 03:47
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Everything is made in China.LOL


Just as I suspected: cheap junk Wink
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 04:10
"Books are burning
In the main square, and I saw there
The first eating the text
Books are burning
In the still air
And you know where they burn books
People are next"
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Points: 193 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2010 at 08:28
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Have a look at this "controversial" video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4XJQO3qol8

I agree 100% ... what's the big deal? Why should anyone be offended - and isn't it kind of ironic that before the announced burning of the Qur'an books by Terry Jones we see Islamists protesting in the streets, burning American flags in the process?Wink

this guy is a must ahahah rationalist, i love it
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