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Windhawk ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
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Tarquin Underspoon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2009 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1416 |
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Yep, and it's a shame.
But it's a business. We here at the Archives seem to forget that complete creative freedom with major record labels only applied to a handful of bands for a period of about 7 years. That time was really an exception, and we'll never see anything quite like it again. It's called the music business because, at the end of the day, it's about music making money, not money making music. You can have the creative freedom, or you can have the money, but rarely can you have both.
Please excuse my rant, but I tend to get a little pissed off when the industry I'm just now beginning to step into is collapsing as I type. ![]() Edited by Tarquin Underspoon - July 05 2010 at 04:28 |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Is there a positive side to the major record labels, too?
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Well, isn't that unusual? ![]() Did they make him cry? I was trying to come up with a positive comment on the industry and the best I could do is this: they'll promote you more than you'd be able to do on your own if they think you'll make them a lot of money. They did embrace prog briefly but it didn't take long before they were coercing prog artists to go commercial and were off to the latest trend. On a funny side note, we have a local TV reporter named Tom Jones and that damn song comes into my head every time he shows up on screen. One other bright spot about them not promoting prog: lessens the likelihood that a prog song will get so much air play that I end up hating it. ![]() Edited by Slartibartfast - July 05 2010 at 05:54 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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You're completely correct. It's only about music to the musicians. The businessmen are purely interested in shifting units and getting their investment back, plus a profit. There was an item about Prince on the news this morning. Music retailers were moaning that his sales had slumped since he'd been giving his albums away free with newspapers. Well, the words tough and sh*t spring to mind...and in that order. Prince is in the enviable position, as are Radiohead, to no longer need a record label. Artists of this stature have the creative freedom to do as they so wish, and make their bucks playing huge live shows. It's kind of ironic that back in the day, record companies wanted their bands to be huge, multi platinum selling, stadium filling giants, now they dread the day when their bands have this kind of power. It's also ironic that in these days of dumbed down music, never before have big name acts actually had such 'potential' artistic freedom. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Henry Plainview ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
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You're really overselling it. I mean, yeah, Impulse! has gone from Coltrane and Ayler to Diana Krall, but you're not giving them enough credit in the early years, and they're still not that bad now. They're not releasing much music I like, but that's not even their fault, and I find it sort of insulting to say that Lady Gaga or whoever only makes the music she does because the label is forcing her to. Because seriously, Steve Wilson wrote frickin Sound of Muzak on a major label. I don't see any negative side to this story. So the VP is upset, and maybe he shouldn't be, although I hope you can understand why he would be surprised, but the label is still releasing the album because he's Tom Jones. And Tom still has his almost $3 million from switching to their label, even though this album might not make it back for them.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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It depends on the label. All there is to it.
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Conor Fynes ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 11 2009 Location: Vancouver, CA Status: Offline Points: 3196 |
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Artists shouldn't be treated like mere employees... |
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Henry Plainview ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
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Also, I am fairly certain that Tom Jones is not somebody we want to hold up as a model of artistic integrity! And I think it's not unreasonable for some of the rules to change once they're handing out millions of dollars...
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Kestrel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 18 2008 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 512 |
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I agree with the label - Tom Jones singing hymns is a sick joke. I expect more Sex Bomb and covers of sh*tty songs like Black Betty! (I'm totally serious, by the way.)
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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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I will never understand how some people here continuously express surprise and disappointment at stories which suggest that companies are concerned with making money.
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yanch ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: Lowell, MA Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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Exactly. Why is any one surprised by this article? Major labels don't care about artists and creativity. They want sales volume and dollars!! The only way an established artist like a Tom Jones can do something completely different is with an independent label or on their own.
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crimhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
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![]() Well this album did sell one million copies. ![]() |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Tom Jones’ new album, Praise And Blame, is
currently the best-selling album in the Europe. If it stays that way
until Sunday, the 70 year-old Jones will become the oldest male musician
to have a number one album in the U.K. Currently sitting at number two
is Eminem’s Recovery.
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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This story is an echo of when Geffen Records took Neil Young to court for releasing uncommercial albums. In the case of Geffen vs. Young, Geffen actually had a good case. Neil Young's records were horrendous at that time. The case was settled out of court and Neil Young then released some really excellent albums. Funny world........ |
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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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Not only is Praise And Blame selling but it's getting just about the best critical reception a Jones album ever has.
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paganinio ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 07 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1327 |
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That's my opinion on the topic too. The only reason Tom Jones would record 12 hymn songs for an album is because 1) he's stupid, 2) he has terrible taste in music. I tend to think like a record label executive these days, but I would have reached the same conclusion either way. |
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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67451 |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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That too happens on smaller indie labels. I remember very well some German indie labels and others jumping on band wagons like there was no tomorrow. I also remember the mad push among the small indie labels to get as many bands as possible through a very fashionable studio in Florida as fast as possible. You find dollar signs in most label managers eyes. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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David Sharpe is a vice pres (ie one of many) on the financial side of the business and it is evident that's where he should stay (ie well away from the creative side).
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What?
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