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    Posted: June 04 2010 at 18:57
Any relation btw this 2? Thanks.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2010 at 19:12
Well, uh, all their albums are definitely proto-prog as far back as Sgt. Pepper, and some will argue Revolver. That's a relation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2010 at 20:17
I think the same.

Aaaand, that Sgt. Peppers was a primary influence to King Crimsonīs first work.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 03:10
Could "Tomorrow Never Knows" be the first and father of Classic Prog???Ying Yang 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 03:53
To be honest, Sgt Pepper is still mostly a pop album, save a couple of tracks that could be classed proto-prog at a stretch. I'm pretty certain that Please Please Me or Yesterday aren't prog records though LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 04:11
Just we are talking about Sgt. Peppers, and other songs from the fab4.

Besides...Nektar is pop-prog, there are many bands with a poppy spirit in their career. Though being proto-prog, Beatles were clearly the roots to follow for many of the new bands of Classic Rock as KC, YES, Camel...

Sgt. Peppers was the first album to mix symphonyc with rock.Approve 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 05:20
yep, lots of prog elements there. They were also revolutionary with the sound - Revolution #9 and the whole Abbey Road album (Alan Parsons himself worked on it). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 05:28
Originally posted by Wiktor Hatif Wiktor Hatif wrote:

yep, lots of prog elements there. They were also revolutionary with the sound - Revolution #9 and the whole Abbey Road album (Alan Parsons himself worked on it). 

Yes, Wiktor. Many thanks for the remembering. Abbey Road final mix is an excellent prog element, with the epic Opus in Golden Slumbers. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 06:16
Originally posted by Progist Progist wrote:

To be honest, Sgt Pepper is still mostly a pop album...


I think this raises some interesting questions.  What exactly is pop?  And are pop and prog mutually exclusive?  It could be argued that even if you want to call the Beatles pop, there were elements of musical sophistication that could be described as 'progressive' in the true sense of the word, taken in the context of the times.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 06:20
Originally posted by Progist Progist wrote:

To be honest, Sgt Pepper is still mostly a pop album, 


Yes, but there's that little thing called "A day in the life" which...you know...LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 06:37
Proto-prog for sure/ As mentioned earlier: "Tomorrow Never Knows," "A Day in the Life," Within You Without You," "Revolution #9," I'd even say that "Dear Prudence" has elements of psychedelic/Space rock.

I've always felt that the Beatles opened the paths to just about every category of rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 08:15
Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

I've always felt that the Beatles opened the paths to just about every category of rock.


Exactly, and stating the different is just being ignorant or childishly rebelled. This is fact, period.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 09:20
 
Originally posted by SergiUriah SergiUriah wrote:


Sgt. Peppers was the first album to mix symphonyc with rock.Approve 


So, Revolver doesn't  count? Elanor Rigby, and all that? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 10:23
and what about "Days Of Future Passed" by The Moody Blues from 1967 ? That was faaaar more symphonic than Sgt. Peppers :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 10:46
Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite! Not prog …?Confused

Of course Beatles started as a pop/rock band, but what they did later had an immense impact on prog. The song I mentioned could even fit in on Lizard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 12:03
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

 
Originally posted by SergiUriah SergiUriah wrote:


Sgt. Peppers was the first album to mix symphonyc with rock.Approve 


So, Revolver doesn't  count? Elanor Rigby, and all that? 


"Yesterday" ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 15:33
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

 
Originally posted by SergiUriah SergiUriah wrote:


Sgt. Peppers was the first album to mix symphonyc with rock.Approve 


So, Revolver doesn't  count? Elanor Rigby, and all that? 

I mean to say the whole album. Eleaanor Rigby is not rock, Tomorrow Never Knows yes, and singles as Rain or Paperback Writer...

But Sgt. Peppers showed the way to many bands in the 70s and of course to KC too. I think so.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 18:34
I think people give Sgt Pepper way too much credit.  There was much crazier music going on at the time.  Piper at the Gates of Dawn was recorded in the same studio on the same dates.  And Piper is miles beyond Sgt Peppers in terms of progressiveness, psychedelia, originality, and in my opinion quality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 20:46
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

I think people give Sgt Pepper way too much credit.  There was much crazier music going on at the time.  Piper at the Gates of Dawn was recorded in the same studio on the same dates.  And Piper is miles beyond Sgt Peppers in terms of progressiveness, psychedelia, originality, and in my opinion quality.
 
I have to admit this is true (and it is also true of Moody Blues and Procol Harum, some will argue). Also, I'm frankly surprised at the number of these conversations that go by without citing Pet Sounds. Yeah, yeah, roll your eyes, people, but I've been listening to it a lot lately, and on the whole, it is far more "progressive" in nature than most of Sgt. Pepper or Revolver or what have you. I would say Pet Sounds is a highly influential and tragically overlooked record in the proto-prog community. Give it a spin, you'll hear what I mean.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:34
Originally posted by himtroy himtroy wrote:

I think people give Sgt Pepper way too much credit.  There was much crazier music going on at the time.  Piper at the Gates of Dawn was recorded in the same studio on the same dates.  And Piper is miles beyond Sgt Peppers in terms of progressiveness, psychedelia, originality, and in my opinion quality.

I donīt think so. Even they are Pink Floyd. Piper At The...is a psychedelia album, but it is no miles beyond in those characteristics.

That first album has not prog elements as clear at in the next albums. Psychedelia is more effective in Peppers than in PF album, there exists a line and tones that carry you far away in your mind at Beatles album.
And, overall, the red album from Beatles has more more more more more...originality than Pinf Floydīs one. Of course. There is more difference and colours among the songs, and the album is amazing.

Pinf Floyds Piper...is a good album, but you can see is the first one. Beatles had a road walked, and the production is awesome too. 

Thereīs many differences btw then. In my opinion.


And talking about Pet Sounds, I canīt hear the prog elements there.Ouch


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