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Soulman
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Topic: So I Got a Bass... Posted: May 26 2005 at 02:16 |
So anyways, I remember that I posted awhile ago that I was looking to
buy a bass, and what do you know? I bought one. 'Tis a Jay Turser Jazz
Bass; some model that is discontinued, the dealer couldn't tell me.
So yea, I started out doing some of the bass lines I know, improvising
some junk just to get my feel for it. Then I tried to do the bassline
for Rush's "Anthem"; now I've developed this ethic that I shall never
play with a bass pick, but it just seems bloody impossible to play
those triplet notes with just your fingers. Even with some of Chris
Squires basslines, it makes me wonder if they have used bass picks,
like ever.
So I was wondering if any of you experienced bassists can give some
advice on playing those fast notes while finger picking. Thanks.
edit: Can someone please answer new question?
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goose
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Posted: May 30 2005 at 15:09 |
Squire uses a plectrum. I think Geddy uses his thumb as well or something strange, but it should be possible to play with just two fingers given plenty of practice. If not you could try using three or four fingers - it helps sometimes but not others and I spent a year trying to do everything with four fingers (and thumb, sometimes) but now I pretty much just use two.
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Hangedman
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Posted: May 30 2005 at 17:25 |
I never use picks (same ethic as you ) but sometimes if i need it i find myself using my thumb to hit strings, im trying to break the habit but it is an easy shortcut sometimes.
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omar progriguez
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Posted: May 30 2005 at 17:41 |
Soulman wrote:
So I was wondering if any of you experienced bassists can give some advice on playing those fast notes while finger picking. Thanks.
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Definitely use your fingers and try your damnest to hit all 7 strings with them. Ideally, try to do this very quickly without missing a note and do this to a happy, nice, pretty rhythm. That's about it for Fingerbass 101. You'll be an expert in no time.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: May 30 2005 at 21:32 |
I like to alternate between the two, but I mainly use the pick for Squire lines. I recommend to get faster, you just play something at a slower tempo, and then get progressively faster.
With YYZ, for instance, which is an incredibly difficult bassline, I played the song very slowly until I memorized the entire thing, then kept playing faster every time I played it.
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synthguy
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Posted: May 31 2005 at 16:36 |
I tried to play with all four fingers, but I opted for
three fingers and a thumb.
You can drive the bassline with your thumb. And still
have three fingers to play melody and counterpoint
(cranking Entwistle triplets).
A pick is helpfull when you have to play 1/128 notes.
Or, to get that pick attack sound.
Point is, I don't limit myself to one technique.
All my basses have four strings.
Bummer.
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Soulman
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 02:25 |
...pardon me for asking. What's the point in having a 6 string bass?
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goose
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 06:24 |
More... notes? What else?
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DracoMordag
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Posted: June 06 2005 at 17:10 |
practice. non-stop.
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synthguy
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 19:53 |
DracoMordag wrote:
practice. non-stop.
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Amen to that.
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seabre
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Posted: July 10 2005 at 01:44 |
On electric bass I use four fingers..I don't use my thumb much except for slapping..
I use sort of the classical guitarist's method for the right hand...
On upright if you do that..you'll kill yourself..really.
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Schizoid Man
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Posted: July 10 2005 at 15:35 |
I use a pick. I've been playing guitar and bass that way for the last 39 years so I'm not going to change now
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seabre
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Posted: July 10 2005 at 23:27 |
You can't play that fast with a pick. :-P
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Schizoid Man
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 00:09 |
seabre wrote:
You can't play that fast with a pick. :-P
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WillieThePimp
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Posted: July 11 2005 at 00:30 |
Playing the riff slowly is probably the best way. One thing I tried to
do was hammer-on notes that I couldn't play fast enough. It seems like
a good idea, but do not rely on it.
my left hand developed a quicker response than my fingers. Just keep at
a pace that you feel comfortable at. The riff still sounds exhilerating
at half the speed, trust me, you'll just dream of what it will sound
like with a week (or less) more practice. As for YYZ, just hit all the
notes you can at first while listening to the song.
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You can't possibly hear the last movement of Beethoven's Seventh and go slow. ~Oscar Levant, explaining his way out of a speeding ticket
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Soulman
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 00:12 |
Well it's been almost three months since I bought the bass that I
mentioned (about the same time I made this thread). I'm not much of a
disciplined practicer, but I pick up the bass whenever I feel like
practicing, which seems to be often.
I found an article about a month ago on routines that you can do to
play with four fingers, to gain maximum speed. So far I'm able to play
with three fingers qutie efficiently; reaching the 64th note is quite
easy for me now.
Recently I started kind of listening to Victor Wooten. I had heard a
song on an internet radio station where he did a improvisation around
the good ol' tune "Amazing Grace", I was astonished at how fast he
could play slap bass.
My question now is:
Can anyone tell how I can play slap bass like Victor Wooten?
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goose
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Posted: July 14 2005 at 11:40 |
I think only Victor Wooten can tell you that one . I'm not sure about the merits of 4 fingers vs. 2, I think it mainly depends on the person - I'm fine pedalling one note with a simple rhythm with four fingers and can go much faster than with two, but for anything more complex, even for string corssing, I find it easier to use two or three... most of the "famous" bass players don't use four fingers, I think Geddy uses two and a thumb, Myung uses three?, I can't think of anything else offhand.
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bityear
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:47 |
Well, Wooten is a monster. And, he has basses that cost, like 10000
bucks each... exclusive Foderas and stuff. The thing is, I think,
is that he has his strings incredibly close to the fingerboard, so that
when he gives that string a thump with the thumb, it'll slap twice if
he wants it to. Then he'll also strike the string on his way up with
the thumb, so that he almost uses it like a pick. I suppose that thing
with the string slapping twice for each slap also applies to the rest
of the fingers...would explain the odd sound he gets on tunes like
Classical Thump.
Do NOT try his technique within a couple of years!!
I think you have to be a slapper extraordinaire before thinking
about developing his style... I suppose it's POSSIBLE, but Wooten is an
extreme wonderchild, and he's so good that he gets the basses he wants
for free. I think that you have to have a fat wallet to be able to even
try playing like him...and what if you fail? 8000 bucks for your
Fodera, thrown into the sea...
Anyhow, I don't use picks either, until just recently. I like
recording music at home, but I've got no good way to mike my bass... my
amplifier sounds sh*te, and I don't have microphones or a mixer. I
don't have a bass pod, either, but! I bought a sh*tty guitar some years
ago, and spent some more money on a guitar pod, to be able to get some
decent sounds out of it. For years I used the best clean sound I could
get for my bass, and played through it, but it never sounded very good.
After all, it IS a guitar pod, and making a bass sound like a GOOD bass
just didn't work. The solution was to use some compression, some
distortion, and a pick, and you almost get a Squire or Nomeansno sound.
Groovy!
But, that's just when I'm recording. When I play, I always use my
fingers, since my plectrum technique is sh*te, and I don't want to
scratch the bass. The poor baby..
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Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:59 |
Soulman wrote:
...pardon me for asking. What's the point in having a 6 string bass?
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Pardon me for asking, what's the point in having a four string bas?
A six string makes you free to play ANYTHING. You always get in touch
with songs where you have to play notes lower than your E, and if you
plan to become a good player, you'll want to play some solos every now
and then, and then the G-string just isn't high enough. With a
C-string, you can be heard better. And, with two extra string, you've
got FREEDOM!! For every extra string, playing becomes twice as fun.
But, agreed that if you're in a band and you know your role, a
five-string is enough. And, if you're in a garage or punk band, showing
up with a showy six-string quite ruins the image. But, why limit
yourself?
Why do guitarists use 6 or 7 strings?
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Soulman
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Posted: July 23 2005 at 13:04 |
Thanks alot for your responses bityear
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