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    Posted: March 05 2010 at 09:32
Before you people go all, "Soundgarden is a grunge band, grunge is the complete opposite of prog.', listen to Superunknown, and tell me that that is not Crossover/Related material. The time signatures, the lyrics, the composition, deep inside, lie proggy Chris and Kim LOL

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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2010 at 09:37
If they are added, we need to include these ones as well :
Jane's Addiction
Smashing Pumpkins
Melvins
Jesus Lizard
Alice in Chains


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I can easily class Melvins and Alice in Chains as grunge, Jane's and Smashing Pumpkins as alt rock, but I can't really class Soundgarden as grunge without having to note out the proggy elements they use in their music RATHER OFTEN.
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The Smashing Pumpkins have been seriously considered but may have been deemed to controversial.  I have a feeling that Soundgarden would be similar.  I don't know that they have been formally suggested before, but they have been previously discussed.  Modern Drummer magazine listed Soundgarden's drummer as one of the their top 20 progressive rock drummers, not that that means much, but it is also not totally unreasonable.
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Points: 3144 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:05
Lol! There's a mellotron on Mailman!
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Points: 6802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:13
But... you are suggesting a band for a single album...??? so we will have the chance (if they get added) to review all their non-progressive albums as well...??? maybe they have some prog elements (which I doubt but I'm not an expert for that matter) but that's not enough to consider all their discography for this site.. right...???
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:16
Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

But... you are suggesting a band for a single album...??? so we will have the chance (if they get added) to review all their non-progressive albums as well...??? maybe they have some prog elements (which I doubt but I'm not an expert for that matter) but that's not enough to consider all their discography for this site.. right...???
 
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Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

But... you are suggesting a band for a single album...??? so we will have the chance (if they get added) to review all their non-progressive albums as well...??? maybe they have some prog elements (which I doubt but I'm not an expert for that matter) but that's not enough to consider all their discography for this site.. right...???
In theory, the rule is that if a band has released at least 1 progressive rock album they should be included on this site.  This is how the site's owner M@x has instructed us.  That being said, this results in a number of nasty controversies which means that administrative judgement on help versus hurt the site have to come in to play.  From a site standpoint, two things need to be weighed.  Does a band like Soundgarden really need any extra exposure that PA might provide or would we be better off concentrating on lesser known bands with prog leanings that might benefit from some PA exposure?  The flipside to this, is would having Soundgarden listed here provide (1) a benefit to our members; (2) cause Ivan to bring out the blue ink; and (3) draw in Soundgarden fans that might not otherwise realize that they might like progressive rock music. 
 


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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

But... you are suggesting a band for a single album...??? so we will have the chance (if they get added) to review all their non-progressive albums as well...??? maybe they have some prog elements (which I doubt but I'm not an expert for that matter) but that's not enough to consider all their discography for this site.. right...???
In theory, the rule is that if a band has released at least 1 progressive rock album they should be included on this site.  This is how the site's owner M@x has instructed us.  That being said, this results in a number of nasty controversies which means that administrative judgement on help versus hurt the site have to come in to play.  From a site standpoint, two things need to be weighed.  Does a band like Soundgarden really need any extra exposure that PA might provide or would we be better off concentrating on lesser known bands with prog leanings that might benefit from some PA exposure?  The flipside to this, is would having Soundgarden listed here provide (1) a benefit to our members; (2) cause Ivan to bring out the blue ink; and (3) draw in Soundgarden fans that might not otherwise realize that they might like progressive rock music. 
 
 
Yeah... was a retoric question really... I found a little odd to review albums that do not have nothing to do with prog... and that do not help the band either, because according to the rating standards, most of the reviews will be low rating and might be considered "Poor" for prog standards... is healthier that the band don't get included in the site... I have nothing against Soundgarden, but I think it will be a case of trowing a band into the wrong audience... honestly...
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

But... you are suggesting a band for a single album...??? so we will have the chance (if they get added) to review all their non-progressive albums as well...??? maybe they have some prog elements (which I doubt but I'm not an expert for that matter) but that's not enough to consider all their discography for this site.. right...???
 
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Talk Talk has the same number of post rock albums as synth pop albums (plus one transitional art pop thing), just as there's about as much prog Genesis as pop Genesis Wink
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Originally posted by Pekka Pekka wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

But... you are suggesting a band for a single album...??? so we will have the chance (if they get added) to review all their non-progressive albums as well...??? maybe they have some prog elements (which I doubt but I'm not an expert for that matter) but that's not enough to consider all their discography for this site.. right...???
 
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Talk Talk has the same number of post rock albums as synth pop albums (plus one transitional art pop thing), just as there's about as much prog Genesis as pop Genesis Wink


And I might add to this, why don't you try listening to Spirit of Eden and Laughingstock before you dismiss them?
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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2010 at 10:51
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

The Smashing Pumpkins have been seriously considered but may have been deemed to controversial.  I have a feeling that Soundgarden would be similar.  I don't know that they have been formally suggested before, but they have been previously discussed.  Modern Drummer magazine listed Soundgarden's drummer as one of the their top 20 progressive rock drummers, not that that means much, but it is also not totally unreasonable.

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Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

The Smashing Pumpkins have been seriously considered but may have been deemed to controversial.  I have a feeling that Soundgarden would be similar.  I don't know that they have been formally suggested before, but they have been previously discussed.  Modern Drummer magazine listed Soundgarden's drummer as one of the their top 20 progressive rock drummers, not that that means much, but it is also not totally unreasonable.

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But the Smashing Pumpkins are NOT Soundgarden.

EDIT: Even on Down on the Upside, Dusty, has 10/4, 10/8, 7/4, all in 4:33! You guys keep saying Smashing Pumpkins when they're not even similar by a BIT! Smashing Pumpkins are mainstream poppy alt rock while Soundgarden is grunge turned experimental, turned proggy.


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As Soundgarden would be deemed a controversial case, it would need 100% yes from the Crossover team. A timid question then would be if the member participating in the debate has formed an opinion as is. If it is a negative there's no reason to go any further, if a positive or unsure I guess there's one more candidate on the Xover list ;-)
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Points: 3144 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2010 at 11:22
But which of the participating members are you referring to? The team members?
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He means himself, Chris, Guigo, Brian and myself, and I would not vote in favour.

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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:08
Soundgarden may have odd time signatures and a few little things here and there but odd time signatures do not a prog band make....

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

He means himself, Chris, Guigo, Brian and myself, and I would not vote in favour.


I'm not that much familiar with Soundgarden myself, but for what I know I'd go no for Crossover.  I am open to persuasion. 
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Points: 3144 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2010 at 12:21
I did not necessarily mean Crossover, as always, Related is always an option! Remember people, if goddamn IRON MAIDEN are on this site, then Soundgarden should be in atleast related.
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