Phil Collins and here's why. . . . .

He was the drummer for the band's early prog success. Isn't that enough? How is it that this site has an individual profile for 4 members of the "Lamb" line-up, and yet leaves out the very man who sat behind the drum-kit for Supper's Ready? Looking at the sites review for early Genesis, there's some vitrol dished out at Collins for the direction the group took after the Hackett departure, vitrol that is unfairly put out. Tony Banks has stated numerous times that his favorite album from the band was the Duke album, while Mike Rutherford has made no secret that the self-entitled album was, in his opinion, among bands greatest work.   

Phil Collins will be here over Ivan's dead body.  Plain and simple.

it is possible part of the reason Phil isn't here is due to prejudice, but the real answer remains: the vast bulk of his solo work was not progressive.  It has little to do with whether or not ATTWT or Duke are excellent albums (which they are) and more to do with material.  Hackett, Gabriel and Banks [his debut at least, and projects as Seven] have all produced albums that are clearly forms of Artrock.  Phil could, on paper I suppose, fit in ProgRelated but again it goes to material-- simply having been a part of a prog band, even one as important as Genesis, isn't grounds - musically speaking - for addition.

rushfan4 wrote: Phil Collins solo albums are a poppified form of Jazz Rock.  That is one reason why he was able to do a live Phil Collins big band tour/concert/album.  .......  I refuse to get suckered into this argument again.

Too late.

Look I ordered a copy of his first album on CD last year and then my house got flooded out within a few days of its arrival.  'Nuff said.

The Quiet One wrote:   "You're blaming me?!"

...and again.....I hope that this argument though gets raised and raised again ad infinitum until Collin's is recognised here for Face Value alone.

Phil's solo work, good or not, is a far remove from prog: even Peter Gabriel's solo work is far more progressive. In my humble opinion, his presence in at least three bands which are included here (Flaming Youth, Genesis and Brand X) does not justify an inclusion of his solo albums.

Windhawk wrote: Chris S wrote: ...and again.....I hope that this argument though gets raised and raised again ad infinitum until Collin's is recognised here for Face Value alone.   One word.......Credibility Want to take him into Crossover for an eval?  ;-)

Too contentious an issue.... and with due respect to previous evaluators, PC, was declined. An enormous figure for progressive music and I enjoy seeing new threads from new members regarding this issue as a current debate. Hard to ignore!

Edited by Chris S - February 19 2010 at 04:24

While I've never agreed about the hatred heaped upon Phil Collins (as I said before, people should avoid wasting energies on stuff like that), I am not really sure adding him would be a good idea. For one, we should start considering the addition of other famous musicians that were once members of prog bands (one name for all: Lemmy), and then, personally, I don't find a whole lot of prog-relatedness in his music, even in Face Value (which I used to own on vinyl, so I'm not biased against it). However, I am well aware that prog-relatedness is very much a matter of point of view, and for some Face Value can be much more prog-related than, say, the album I have in my avatar.

The biggest problem, in my opinion, would be the violent reactions from part of the membership, which would probably result in abuse being heaped upon the Admins (who are in charge of PR) and the person responsible for the addition. Unfortunately, there are people here who just seem unable to remember that we are not dealing with politics or religion here, but with music - something that should unite us, not divide us. 

rushfan4 wrote: I believe that M@x has specifically listed Phil Collins as the one and only pariah that should never set foot in PA as a solo artist, so even if the admins were somehow persuaded to add him, it isn't going to happen without persuading M@x as well.

Well, I don't believe that M@x has done so out of hatred for Phil Collins, but rather because - as we say in Italian - he 'knows his chickens', and realizes the Admin Team would bear the brunt of the addition. I still have nightmares about the Iron Maiden addition, by the way.