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    Posted: December 14 2009 at 17:29
...lyrics put me off so, so much! Being an atheist it really makes me cringe to hear some of the lines. The 'Dancing with eternal glory , whirlwind' is probably the best (or worst) example of this. An epic 12 minute song, but it's all about God!

"...and you're dancing with eternal glory, taking that step to another land. you are dancing with eternal glory, don't be afraid, go and take his hand"

Dead It all really brings the album down a few levels to me, anyone else finding this? Or are most okay with it? I mean, I have nothing against Christian bands, but Transatlantic throw it right in your face in some songs...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2009 at 17:30
Oh god no.

Not again. We have religion/atheism/pastafarianism/deism/paganism/troll threads for this purpose.

(No offence intended to the poster, but we have a few thousand of these threads per day)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2009 at 17:33
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2009 at 17:35
I'm not trolling or trying to stir up a religious argument at all, my friend. I apologies if it's brought up a lot here, but I was just wondering if it bothers anyone else. I'm more than happy to listen to Christian bands, but sometimes with Transatlantic I feel as though I'm listening to a band on God TV...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2009 at 17:37
Originally posted by mamboboy mamboboy wrote:

I'm not trolling or trying to stir up a religious argument at all, my friend. I apologies if it's brought up a lot here, but I was just wondering if it bothers anyone else. I'm more than happy to listen to Christian bands, but sometimes with Transatlantic I feel as though I'm listening to a band on God TV...


No worries, if you want to talk about religious themes in prog, there are plenty of threads already made to serve that purpose. These just become troll-fests for those who like that kind of thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2009 at 17:45
Yep.  Do a search on Neal Morse, and you will probably find 10 threads worth of folks who are turned off by his religious overtones.  For the most part, his lyrics don't bother me too much.  I take them for the positive message that they are trying to convey, even if the message doesn't agree with my own beliefs or lack thereof.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2009 at 19:15
I think the lyrics are the least of their problems.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2009 at 19:25
The lyrics might be about god but that is Neal Morse , it's his style.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 02:57
Mambo - look at my review for my alternative take on the lyrics.
Morse - in his lyrics in the Whirlwind, the last track I think, makes the same mistake all uneducated god-botherers make - that the Evolution of the third chimpanzee was "Chance" natural selection has nothing to do with chance.........We have got a Mormon Temple in Swinton, thus I have had quite a few interesting conversations with nice guys in sharp business suits, trouble is they just won't listen to reason....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 11:38
I don't know why, but actually, I really like the lyrics on The Whrilwind... I generally can't stand Christian bands (that really áre Christian, of course!), although I am a Christian myself... With the Whirlwind, I kind of like it, hearing those cheesy, God-washed lyrics of Neal Morse... It makes me happyLOLBig smile
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 11:53
I've never checked them out, but there's something to be said about a good prog instrumental, eh?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 12:01
 I'm a fan and a Christian so I guess you may think I'm not very objective on this matter, but I must say that I like some lyrics of The Whirlwind quite a bit. Especially parts like "Rose Colored Glasses" and "On the Prowl" have some clever and good lyrics. And I seriously can't say that from all of Morse's albums (Lifeline comes first in mind). Anyway, I don't find Whirlwind particularly over-cliché-Christian (with possibly  an exception of the last track).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 18:03
What amazes me is that atheist prog fans get so offended by lyrics about God. What makes this any worse than any other topic? Why not just assign it to the realm of fantasy? You know, like, "What if there WERE such a being?" I mean, we can wonder about UFOs, ghosts, conspiracy theories, 2012, and have incomprehensible lyrics aplenty, but mention God and it's in the dumpster with it?  I mean, if I can manage to listen to a fasntasy story about a lamb lying down on broadway, with slippermen, hairless hearts, etc., why can't you listen to fantasy story about a supreme being who loves people?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 19:50
Religious lyrics do not bother me. To me prog is a style of music that lends itself to any and all subject matter (as, I suppose, all types of music do.) If the music is good and the lyrics are at least halfway intelligent, I'll listen!   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 19:55
You don't like the lyrics.

You post a thread stating how you don't like the lyrics.

You waste my time by having me look at it.

I'm sorry but starting a thread about EVERYTHING WE DON'T LIKE is just poor forum behavior. If you don't like it, so what? We don't care, buddy.Wink

You're an atheist. I'm a Christian. I agree with Neal Morse. You don't. Get over it!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 20:02
Originally posted by miketheorganist miketheorganist wrote:

What amazes me is that atheist prog fans get so offended by lyrics about God. 

Speaking as an atheist prog fan, I do not get offended by lyrics about God.  I've mentioned this in another thread, I just don't like Christian lyrics that are "preachy".  I'll admit an almost complete ignorance or Neil Morse's lyrics.  I've just read enough opinions that I trust on here to say, thanks, but I'll pass.  Huge fan of 70's Kansas, though.  I think Kerry Livgren was most responsible for the religious themed lyrics back then, but they never impressed me as explicitly Christian (Epignosis will correct me if I'm mistaken).  I think Nobody's Home came the closest to being eC.  Jesus returning home to Earth to find we had wiped us all out. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 20:39
I'm an atheist and a Transatlantic fan. Morse is entitled to his beliefs. It doesn't bother me that much. It doesn't offend me any more than prog bands singing about fairies or dragons, or the year 2112. Or metal bands singing about Satan. Since I don't believe in God, I don't believe in the devil, either. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 20:43
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

You don't like the lyrics.

You post a thread stating how you don't like the lyrics.

You waste my time by having me look at it.

I'm sorry but starting a thread about EVERYTHING WE DON'T LIKE is just poor forum behavior. If you don't like it, so what? We don't care, buddy.Wink

You're an atheist. I'm a Christian. I agree with Neal Morse. You don't. Get over it!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 20:52
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

You don't like the lyrics.

You post a thread stating how you don't like the lyrics.

You waste my time by having me look at it.

I'm sorry but starting a thread about EVERYTHING WE DON'T LIKE is just poor forum behavior. If you don't like it, so what? We don't care, buddy.Wink

You're an atheist. I'm a Christian. I agree with Neal Morse. You don't. Get over it!

Wow, I'm actually getting angry right nowLOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2009 at 22:24
As a person who is quite adept at divorcing himself from the lyrical content of a song (I bump the odd gangster rap album despite finding many of the values espoused completely wrong-headed) I can't say the religious aspect of The Whirlwind bothered me. No, what gets me is that it's an awful, soulless, all shiny wrapper and no actual candy album, an Emperor's New Clothes if ever there was one.
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