Author |
Topic Search Topic Options
|
listen
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 05 2007
Location: Portland OR
Status: Offline
Points: 352
|
Topic: Why did most German bands sing in English? Posted: May 26 2009 at 18:55 |
I know very little about the story behind why almost all of the German music I've heard (at least 350 albums, mostly krautrock, with some acid folk, symph prog, prog. electronic, psychedelic/space rock, and heavy prog) contains vocals in English. Yet I have heard that the British music press did not give any value or much attention at all to those bands on the German side of the water. Why? Were they really going for the US market? Were they going for other English-speaking international market? It seems to me that singing in English would have estranged them from any potential or existent fan-base.
Also, out of curiosity, did and do music from Germany from other genres contain mostly English vocals as well?
|
Now is all there is. Be before you think!
|
|
Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19535
|
Posted: May 26 2009 at 19:09 |
I guess because they wanted a chance to enter to the British/USA market, and because i believe most Germans also speak English.
Remember PFM; they signed with manticore Records, but they had to translate several albums.
Iván
|
|
|
Queen By-Tor
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: September 13 2006
Location: Xanadu
Status: Offline
Points: 16111
|
Posted: May 26 2009 at 19:26 |
English sells more
[/thread]
|
|
micky
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: October 02 2005
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 46833
|
Posted: May 26 2009 at 20:16 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I guess because they wanted a chance to enter to the British/USA market, and because i believe most Germans also speak English.
Remember PFM; they signed with manticore Records, but they had to translate several albums.
Iván |
Raff tells me that Italy has one of the lowest rates of English proficiency in Europe and from my time there.. I couldn't agree more haha. It was HELL trying to find a pack of smokes there the first time I went... almost comical for them to watch me 'signing'... I NEED CIGARETTES....HELP ME!!!! That is now.. could only imagine what it was like then. And yes... Italian prog was made for the Italian market... German prog was trying to crack the English speaking market.
|
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
|
|
Slartibartfast
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam
Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
Status: Offline
Points: 29630
|
Posted: May 26 2009 at 20:27 |
When it comes to prog, it's mainly about reaching a wider audience. English is one the singular languages that has come to dominate the world. That's why PFM and Kayak do English lyrics and being an English speaker and only knowing a few words or phrases in other languages, I might not be a fan of either if it weren't for that fact.
Of course, in our hemisphere I think Spanish is even more predominant. I don't know whether French or Portuguese runs next.
From what I understand there are more than a few varieties of native languages in India that don't work well together and English has become sort of a universal translating language.
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 26 2009 at 20:29
|
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
|
|
pianoman
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 28 2007
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 793
|
Posted: May 26 2009 at 20:58 |
It's probobly very hard to make German sound melodic. German is one of the harshest languages.
|
|
listen
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 05 2007
Location: Portland OR
Status: Offline
Points: 352
|
Posted: May 26 2009 at 22:23 |
Even with very little exposure to English audiences?
King By-Tor wrote:
English sells more
[/thread]
|
|
Now is all there is. Be before you think!
|
|
listen
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 05 2007
Location: Portland OR
Status: Offline
Points: 352
|
Posted: May 26 2009 at 22:41 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I guess because they wanted a chance to enter to the British/USA market, and because i believe most Germans also speak English.
Remember PFM; they signed with manticore Records, but they had to translate several albums.
Iván |
In the case of PFM, manticore isn't an Italian label but Brain and Ohr were German labels. PFM's other label was Italian right? But I would imagine that even german labels would want their (German) bands to sing in english for the market, but from what I've heard German music was virtually unknown in Britain and also the US. On top of that, it is my understanding that most Krautrock and Acid Folk records from Germany were very rare, many not being pressed in huge numbers, reissued to cd until nearly if not more than two decades later, or reissued to cd or on vinyl until those cd reissues.
Did the record companies just keep trying even though there was no return, was there enough return (subtracting the estimated sales they lost in Germany because they didn't sing in the native language), or was it for some other reason?
The question can also be phrased like this:
From what music (mostly prog, ~70's) I've heard Italian bands sang mostly in Italian, Spanish mostly in Spanish, French mostly in French, Swedish mostly in Swedish and so on. But german bands sang mostly in English. Why didn't all the other bands sing in English too? Was Germany just obsessed with the UK audience (even though they were not getting anywhere)? If so, why that the situation?
Finally, anyone know what percent of Germans were fluent in English in the early 70's?
Edited by listen - May 27 2009 at 20:15
|
Now is all there is. Be before you think!
|
|
topofsm
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 17 2008
Location: Arizona, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 1698
|
Posted: May 26 2009 at 23:47 |
There are tons of bands that speak other than in their native language. In fact, I can't think of a single Swedish or Norwegian band other than Enslaved in their early years that sing in their native tongues, off the top of my head of course.
|
|
|
Failcore
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 27 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 4625
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 00:04 |
Anglagard?
|
|
VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 04 2005
Location: Malaria
Status: Offline
Points: 89372
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 00:05 |
I don't know as much about Krautrock as I'd like but:
Dave Anderson of Amon Duul was English, I believe. Can had Malcolm Mooney (an African American) and Damo Suzuki (who was Japanese) in their band (not at the same time) Guru Guru had Jim Kennedy (presumably English or Irish)
So they weren't all native Germans.
Many of the Krautrock bands were also on American labels.
Of course, many of the musicians in Krautrock bands were influenced by British and American bands, especially The Beatles and Velvet Underground.
Then you have to remember that Italy and Germany are culturally different and making music that is completely different to each other.
|
|
|
Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19535
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 00:09 |
Well by nmy experience, most of the Peruvian early Prog and Rockbands like Traffic Sound, Laghonia, We All Together, etc, sung in English, only when Frágil came, Spanish became popular.
BTW: There are popular German bands, like Triumvirat and Tangerine Dream, the first one signed with Harvest, the second one became popular when signed with Virgin.
BTW II: There's no exact percentages in the net, but it's mentioned that bilingual German - English education was massive in the FDR since the 60's, plus the people who listened Prog in Germany, was used to listen it in English.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 27 2009 at 00:12
|
|
|
friso
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 24 2007
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 2506
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 01:45 |
The popscene had been dominated by the English and the American. Rockmusic just sounded English I guess. Some barriers had to be broken.
|
|
Q6
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 18 2008
Location: York, UK
Status: Offline
Points: 126
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 02:22 |
Because there is no word to rhyme with Orange in german ;o)
|
|
|
Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 02:26 |
Because German was the language of Hitler.
|
|
|
tszirmay
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: August 17 2006
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 6673
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 02:30 |
Keine ahnung! (no idea!!!! hahahaha)
|
I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
|
|
progkidjoel
Prog Reviewer
Joined: March 02 2009
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 19643
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 02:38 |
Like that 99 red balloons song?
|
|
|
Dean
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout
Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 02:46 |
Years ago I asked a German friend this question and his answer was: "Because English is the langage of Rock and Roll, it is the language of Elvis and The Beatles."
|
What?
|
|
Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 02:57 |
^But the language of Elvis was American
|
|
|
Rocktopus
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 02 2006
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 4202
|
Posted: May 27 2009 at 03:05 |
I'm sure Tangerine Dream's Phaedra would never have charted in the UK, if the titles on their instrumentals were in German instead of English.
|
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.