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progkidjoel
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Topic: Are Dream Theater Over Rated? Posted: April 07 2009 at 03:29 |
Well to begin with, I think DT are Over rated. Sure, they are incredibly technically talented, but I feel as a Prog Metal band, they have a long way to come before they deserve any more of my money.
First of all, I find them to be incredibly unexpressive. Some songs are an exception, (Wait for sleep, Surrounded) but overall, I find their lyrics to be incredibly shallow and often ridiculously lame.
Second of all, DT show off way too much. It seems to me when they are writing a new song/album, John Petrucci must sit there wondering where he could fit a guitar solo. DT do a lot better when they stick to some basic themes and softer melodies.
Third of all, they aren't very compositionally talented. For example, "Take The Time." It has good solos, terribly lame lyrics and overall bad vibes for me. I listen to prog to relax and feel some emotion, Not to listen to incredibly unoriginal guitar solos and cheesy lyrics.
But thats just my opinion.
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Plankowner
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 03:41 |
Nope.. I still contest more than half of the metal bands today are using some form or idea that Dream Theater has created.
If you are coming into Dream Theater late, ie... didn't listen to them in the 90s where there wasn't much progressive metal out there, then I could possibly see your point, but to live it and hearing each album in the beginning, well it was mind blowing.
After spending some time here and listening to alot the progressive metal bands, listen to them again and let me know if you still think they are overrated...
Edited by Plankowner - April 07 2009 at 03:42
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 04:34 |
of course not. awesome band.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 04:43 |
Define overrated.
I find it to be a term that says, "I don't understand this, surely it can't be good! I'm not crazy, the majority who likes whatever I don't understand is!" - so, if you're part of that minority that doesn't like them, then sure, in your eyes they're overrated, but to the millions of fans around the world... hell no, they're not.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 04:45 |
Dream Theater is underrated.
But that's just my opinion.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 04:49 |
JayDee wrote:
Dream Theater is underrated.
But that's just my opinion.
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This could be more easily argued thanks to all the flak they take simply for being popular
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 05:14 |
I'm not a true fanboy, but I don't think they are overrated. DT are a great band: excellent musicians and the best of prog metal.
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progrules
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 05:17 |
I do think they get enough attention on our site (ratings and reviews) maybe even too much ! Because people that don't really have a feel or click with the band still find it a good idea to check out and review their albums. Their good right of course but not ideal for DT. Because of that they get a lot of low ratings and negative reviews.
So my answer is: they are NOT overrated with their album averages but they do get more attention then is good for them.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 05:22 |
King By-Tor wrote:
JayDee wrote:
Dream Theater is underrated.
But that's just my opinion.
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This could be more easily argued thanks to all the flak they take simply for being popular
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When was the last time you saw someone underrate them because they are popular? I
think they are overrated because to me their music mainly sound like a
combination of a bunch of other bands before them I don't think were
particulary progressive, or great (imo) in the fist place.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 05:26 |
Is NASCAR overrated?
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JayDee
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 05:30 |
Dig this. I think most people think that they are so overrated that they have become so underrated in the process.
And yes, NASCAR ia overrated.
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the_binkster
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 05:31 |
This is a very difficult question because on the face of it they certainly aren't...
It's only now that their "mainstream popularity" is increasing when the initial groundbreaking (yes, I think it was) work was done in the 90s and only critical plaudits came their way. However, the most recent albums have been decreasing in quality but as I've already said their popularity is increasing which for me implies that they are overrated...
So, I'm not really sure...
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Guzzman
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 05:40 |
They may not be the best band in the world, but I quite like them - sometimes.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 05:52 |
I think we've hit on a new idea for a poll here........DREAM THEATER v NASCAR.
I'd vote DT anyday. If it was DT v F1 It'd be closer, but I'd still vote DT.
Seriously I DO rate DT very highly, and I don't think I overrate them at all.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 06:09 |
"overrated" ... what does this mean? The most basic meaning is that something is rated more highly than it should be. This essentially also means that the majority of people is wrong. While I don't think that there's anything wrong with making that claim (free speech, everybody's entitled to their opinion etc) I'd still like to point out this: Whenever you think that something's overrated (or underated, doesn't matter) it's a good idea to keep in mind that maybe you're wrong. Have a look at the community of users which your opinion is up against. If many of them are people who you trust to make informed decisions, there's a good chance that you are wrong. got carried away there ... back to the topic: I don't think that Dream Theater are overrated in any way. They are the single most important Prog Metal band ... and I guess they always will be.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 06:21 |
i don't think they are overrated , they are one of the first Prog metal bands , setting the ground for today's bands we know and love.. they deserve respect, and i personaly love DT music..
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AlanD
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 06:30 |
Overrated by some, underrated by others, I suspect.
I can personally live without them, I did buy one of their cds a few years back but quickly tired of it and it went to a better home via a car booty when I needed some cash.
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 06:55 |
I have seen so many people completely addicted to DT and unable to listen to anything else.... So yes, overrated to me
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