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    Posted: August 07 2008 at 04:34
A while ago someone said that Come Away Melinda on the first Uriah Heep album would have been more at home on King Crimson's debut. I can think of several other examples... speaking of In the Court of the Crimson King, its opener 21st Century Schizoid Man is undoubtedly a great song but is in style as well as content almost as far as prog can come from the rest of the album. Hawkwind's Lost Johnny feels very out of place on The Hall of the Mountain Grill, because the rest of that album is Hawkwind going all symphonic prog but that particular song is a fairly straightforwards proto-punk rocker with some fancy sound effects in the background. LOL I would mention the Deep Purple song Anyone's Daughter too, but since it was meant as a joke the OOP-ness is probably part of its point...

Which ones would you pick as examples?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 05:32
I think Hawkwind often stuck tracks on their albums that deviated enormously from the albums overall feel. I think this was just how Hawkwind worked. Their albnums were often put together in a very 'ad-hoc' way. 'Warrior..' is a good example. Kings of Speed and Motorhead are very out of place on an album which is essentially very symphonic, well performed and well produced. These two tracks sound like they are from a discarded demo imo.

ELP, imo, spoilt the Tarkus album with 'Jeremy Bender' and 'Are you ready Eddie' although these were clearly joke tracks, so fair enough, I suppose. They just put me off listening to this album in it's entirity, after the gravitas and drama of ther title suite, and tracks like 'Bitches Crystal'

Porcupine Trees, 'Wedding Nails' sounds out of place on 'In Absentia' to me. It breaks up the atmosphere of the album far to obtrusively, and by too much, in my opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 06:06
'Cygnus X-1' on 'A Farewell to Kings. It is a great track, as is every other song on that album, it just doesn't seem to fit in. It's proto-metal riffs and screeching vocals don't seem to fit with the more melodic majority of the album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 08:02
I can name a couple of Opeth tunes and perhaps one VDGG example. I think Bleak is by a mile out of place on Blackwater Park because the other songs don't even come close to its greatness. It feels a bit wrong for me, it should have been used on later works like Ghost Reveries. I also think "To Bid You Farewell" is an excellent song that doesn't really feel at home with Morningrise, which is undoubtedly and extremely heavy album. It should have been used later on in Still Life, where a mellow song would fit more snuggly. I also think Octopus is one of VDGG's best songs, but it's on their worst album. Enough said really, it doesn't belong there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 09:52
Interesting point you made about 'Schizoid Man'. I guess it's THE iconic track on the album, influencing more later music (Crimson music especially!) than any of the other tracks, and yet you are right, the rest of the album has a different flavour, it's more mellow - in spite of the continuing apocalyptic mood. Nevertheless, I feel IN THE COURT OF... would be a kind of headless chicken without that opening track.
Other songs that seem out of place? "Oh Caroline", on the first Matching Mole album, is a delicate and unforgettable love song while the remainder of the album, in my view, is just a muddle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 09:56
Lines in the Sand, Trial of Tears and New Millennium songs from the Dream Theater album Falling Into Infinity
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 09:59
I have always felt that although 'Out of Nowhere' is a great track, it just doesn't fit on IQs 'Ever'...far too jolly and upbeat...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 10:44
The ultimate example is probably "Most Toys" off of Marillion's album Somewhere Else.the rest of the album is very mellow and melodic, typical modern Marillion stuff, nothing spectacular, and then this song just jumps right at you.I don't think I would have enjoyed that album at all if it wasn't for "Most Toys".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 11:06
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Interesting point you made about 'Schizoid Man'. I guess it's THE iconic track on the album, influencing more later music (Crimson music especially!) than any of the other tracks, and yet you are right, the rest of the album has a different flavour, it's more mellow - in spite of the continuing apocalyptic mood. Nevertheless, I feel IN THE COURT OF... would be a kind of headless chicken without that opening track.


Good point. In addition to being a foreshadowing of the dark, heavy style of the Wetton/Bruford era it is also the band's signature song. Isn't the last one the reason why they refuse to perform it live? LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 11:19
Not Now John from the Final Cut.  Maybe you think it's the only saving grace of the album, but it absolutely KILLS the flow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 11:23
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I think Hawkwind often stuck tracks on their albums that deviated enormously from the albums overall feel. I think this was just how Hawkwind worked. Their albnums were often put together in a very 'ad-hoc' way. 'Warrior..' is a good example. Kings of Speed and Motorhead are very out of place on an album which is essentially very symphonic, well performed and well produced. These two tracks sound like they are from a discarded demo imo.

ELP, imo, spoilt the Tarkus album with 'Jeremy Bender' and 'Are you ready Eddie' although these were clearly joke tracks, so fair enough, I suppose. They just put me off listening to this album in it's entirity, after the gravitas and drama of ther title suite, and tracks like 'Bitches Crystal'

Porcupine Trees, 'Wedding Nails' sounds out of place on 'In Absentia' to me. It breaks up the atmosphere of the album far to obtrusively, and by too much, in my opinion.


Yeah, the first time I listened to that I figured those two songs were from a single or unreleased tracks.  Not only musically out of place but lyrically as well.  I enjoy them both though, especially Kings of Speed, but the rest of that album is better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 13:42
Happy With What You Have to Be Happy With on KC's Power to Believe. I love that song, but after really atmospheric songs like PTB II & Dangerous Curves, it just sort of breaks the cohesiveness, especially when two more dark spacey tracks follow it.

More Fool Me on Selling England. Very simple and I dont think it really fits with the semi-concept of the rest of the album.

Asilos Magdalena on Mars Volta's Amputechture. Random spanish ballady song. While I have nothing against the idea, it doesnt work for me and is the only song on that album I skip. Drags the album out and not particularly interesting.

The honky tonks and the hoedowns on ELP albums (though the quality of those is debatable, some are ok.)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 14:02
Time Tables from Foxtrot would fit better on Nursery Cryme, IMO.

More Fool Me would fit better on Trick of the Tail or And Then There Were Three.

Your Own Special Way on And Then There Were Three.

Awaken on Close to the Edge would be f**king interesting.

Fanfare for the Common Man and Pirates would fit perfectly on Trilogy.

I agree with Pnoom! about Final Cut.

A Venture from The Yes Album would have fit much better on their debut or Time and a Word.

Steel Monkey out of Crest of a Knave, even though it's a good fun track.

others..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 14:08
Originally posted by Mikerinos Mikerinos wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I think Hawkwind often stuck tracks on their albums that deviated enormously from the albums overall feel. I think this was just how Hawkwind worked. Their albnums were often put together in a very 'ad-hoc' way. 'Warrior..' is a good example. Kings of Speed and Motorhead are very out of place on an album which is essentially very symphonic, well performed and well produced. These two tracks sound like they are from a discarded demo imo.

ELP, imo, spoilt the Tarkus album with 'Jeremy Bender' and 'Are you ready Eddie' although these were clearly joke tracks, so fair enough, I suppose. They just put me off listening to this album in it's entirity, after the gravitas and drama of ther title suite, and tracks like 'Bitches Crystal'

Porcupine Trees, 'Wedding Nails' sounds out of place on 'In Absentia' to me. It breaks up the atmosphere of the album far to obtrusively, and by too much, in my opinion.


Yeah, the first time I listened to that I figured those two songs were from a single or unreleased tracks.  Not only musically out of place but lyrically as well.  I enjoy them both though, especially Kings of Speed, but the rest of that album is better.


Actually, Motorhead was originally specifically written as a B-side for the single release of Kings of Speed which I'm not sure whether was on the original release. So you're definitely on the right track.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 14:39
If we want to talk about a newer album I think that one of the best instances of a misplaced song is The Sun In my Eyes by The Tangent on their A Place in The Queue album. I like the song a lot - but it's a disco song crammed between two prog monsters - Follow The Leaders and the giant A Place in The Queue
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Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

If we want to talk about a newer album I think that one of the best instances of a misplaced song is The Sun In my Eyes by The Tangent on their A Place in The Queue album. I like the song a lot - but it's a disco song crammed between two prog monsters - Follow The Leaders and the giant A Place in The Queue


You're sure it's not deliberately misplaced as a joke, like Anyone's Daughter?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 14:42
Actually when I talked to Tillison he said "we were kind of all over the map on that one (a place in the queue)" so maybe a bit of both?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 14:56
Could be. Perhaps that's just one of those things that just happen, with not much rhyme or reason to it. The kind of thing that would really, really frustrate Aristotle. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2008 at 17:03
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:


Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

If we want to talk about a newer album I think that one of the best instances of a misplaced song is The Sun In my Eyes by The Tangent on their A Place in The Queue album. I like the song a lot - but it's a disco song crammed between two prog monsters - Follow The Leaders and the giant A Place in The Queue
You're sure it's not deliberately misplaced as a joke, like Anyone's Daughter?


Anyone's Daughter IMO is a fine inclusion to Fireball. Gives the listener a rest.

Fools from Firebal should have been on In Rock.

"A" 200 from Burn should have been placed to another band. It really sucks, it destroys the whole hard rock flaw of the album.

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