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    Posted: April 09 2005 at 13:48
I know some people will be happy to see some ELP pimping on the board (KE9 and 3F8S), but I just discovered them and I'm enjoying their music quite a lot.

I had tried a couple of months ago to get into their music with BSS, but I don't know I found it too weird or too pompous at times. My prog taste at the time was less developped than today I guess.

Anyways, I tried again recently and wow they are great. The instrumental sections are crazy, jazzy and sometimes totally weird but they are awesome. Lake's voice and bass playing are tastefull, Palmer's drumming is great and Emerson... well it's Emerson I guess!

So far I've digested BSS a bit and started on the self titled. Any opinions on where I should go next? Trilogy? Tarkus? PaaE?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 15:18

Originally posted by Tony Tony wrote:

I know some people will be happy to see some ELP pimping on the board (KE9 and 3F8S), but I just discovered them and I'm enjoying their music quite a lot.

I had tried a couple of months ago to get into their music with BSS, but I don't know I found it too weird or too pompous at times. My prog taste at the time was less developped than today I guess.

Anyways, I tried again recently and wow they are great. The instrumental sections are crazy, jazzy and sometimes totally weird but they are awesome. Lake's voice and bass playing are tastefull, Palmer's drumming is great and Emerson... well it's Emerson I guess!

So far I've digested BSS a bit and started on the self titled. Any opinions on where I should go next? Trilogy? Tarkus? PaaE?

Tony

 

Tony my man.You'll realise after intensive listerning that 'BSS' is the pinnacle of their work.If your new please don't move forward from that album.Please buy the previous albums: 'ELP','Tarkus','Pictures @ an exhibition' & 'Trilogy' all superb but a bit more dated in comparison to 'BSS' which was imensly advanced for '73.Once you've bought these i suggest you then purchase the '74 triple live album 'Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends' where throughout the album you find the majority of the work from the mentioned albums on there & yes they are as good live as in the studio if not better.Upto to you then to move on to 'Works','Works 2' etc but be warned these are a drastic change in style that many dislike.

Enough.

Just to add 'Pictures @ an exhibition' was a live album as you may know but was never recorded onto a studio album until Return of the manticore set.I wish they would really re-record all the early albums just to see what they turn out like...Money spinner there for them.



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Thanks. I most definitely will buy BSS soon enough. And I like a lot what I've heard of their first album.

I'll get into "Love Beach" after....
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Points: 637 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 15:57
yea you should get everything before bss! their debut is actually my favorite of theirs, and its not to be missed! yea now try tarkus, thats a crazy one.! basically just listen to karnevil, she had some good suggestions
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i got tarkus, PaaE and BSS the other day. BSS sounds really good. jerusalem! what an intro, i havent listen to KE9 yet. i did not like benny the bouncer, it would have been better if a more serious piece was put in its place. Clearly filler. Tocatto was good, very weird! Still you turn me on is brilliant!

Tarkus is a great suite with an immense opening. I havent listened to the rest but Jeremy bender was a let down as it as an unserious filler that should have been left off.

I gave PaaE a go but i just couldn't stand the ridiculous song titles, it was alright musically, i will give it a proper chance soon
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 16:00
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Just to add 'Pictures @ an exhibition' was a live album as you may know but was never recorded onto a studio album until Return of the manticore set.

How much of Pictures is on Return of the Manticore? Is it all of it, and is it the same version that part of is on the reissue of the Pictures CD?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 16:04

[QUOTE=frenchie]i got tarkus, PaaE and BSS the other day. BSS sounds really good. jerusalem! what an intro, i havent listen to KE9 yet. i did not like benny the bouncer, it would have been better if a more serious piece was put in its place. Clearly filler. Tocatto was good, very weird! Still you turn me on is brilliant!

Frenchie

Benny the bouncer was just a bit of fun & a great diverse track breaking the LOLbegining of the album up from  Karnies 3 impressions!

Before you get the brain wave of reviewing it please don't we don't want another world war

As you nicely put the end of Lucky man sounded likje an ambulance of something i'd hate to thing of what you say about the Moog sequencer panning at the end of 3rd Impression

 



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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 16:06

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:


I gave PaaE a go but i just couldn't stand the ridiculous song titles

Most titles aren't ELP's own though
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 16:12
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Just to add 'Pictures @ an exhibition' was a live album as you may know but was never recorded onto a studio album until Return of the manticore set.

How much of Pictures is on Return of the Manticore? Is it all of it, and is it the same version that part of is on the reissue of the Pictures CD?

 

 

Return of the manticore is a 4 CD set & in which theres brand new recording of Pictures at an exhibition..around 15 mins worth.Don't miss the ELP recorded  Crimson track '21st century schizoid man..amongs others

Should be in the Progarchive reviews surely



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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 16:58

Tony,

Just to reassure you, there are a good number of us here why enjoy the music of ELP. A quick look at the reviews section will confirm that!

I'd go with "Trilogy" next, I think it's their most complete album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 17:33

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



I gave PaaE a go but i just couldn't stand the ridiculous song titles, it was alright musically, i will give it a proper chance soon

 

The Ridiculous song titles.Frenchie this work was an adaption of Mussorgsky 'Pictures at an exhibition'.

Please read the below & please promise you susy ELP before you do a review.

As you mentioned you like 'Toccatta' from 'BSS' this was also an adaption of the work by Argentinian composer Alberto Ginastera

Pictures at an Exhibition

Pictures at an Exhibition is a famous suite of musical pieces, composed - originally for piano - by Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky and first published in 1874. Mussorgsky wrote the original composition in commemoration of his close friend, the architect and sometime painter Viktor Hartmann, who was only 39 when he died in 1873.

In 1874 an exhibition was mounted in honour of Hartmann. Pictures at an Exhibition musically illustrates a visit which the composer made to this exhibition. The idea of composing programme music based on a non-musical concept was a popular one during the Romantic Music Era. Pictures at an Exhibition incorporates musical pieces representing ten of Hartmann's images, with an additional Promenade theme representing the viewer walking from exhibit to exhibit. The promenade theme is repeated several times, but each time further and further apart, representing a viewer who is being drawn into the works and becoming lost in thought.

Arrangements

Pictures at an Exhibition was later arranged for orchestra by Maurice Ravel in 1922. Many other arrangements have been created, and the original piano composition is also performed; however, Ravel's arrangement is the most popular form of the work.

There have also been two very different non-classical interpretations: one incorporating rock, jazz and folk music elements by Emerson, Lake and Palmer (see Pictures at an Exhibition (album)), and an electronic music adaptation by Isao Tomita. A brass ensemble arrangement was made by Elgar Howarth for the Philip Jones Brass Ensemble in the 1970s. There is even an adaption for solo guitar by Kazuhito Yamash*ta.
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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 18:52
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Kazuhito Yamash*ta.

Got to love automatic censors . Still, I might have a look see if I can find the guitar solo version; I'm intrigued (I assume it means solo as in solo instrument!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 19:06
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Kazuhito Yamash*ta.

Got to love automatic censors . Still, I might have a look see if I can find the guitar solo version; I'm intrigued (I assume it means solo as in solo instrument!)

yes it does mean solo,solo.

He was a member of the Nagasaki guitar ensemble

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Points: 4215 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 19:24

Originally posted by Tony Tony wrote:

I know some people will be happy to see some ELP pimping on the board (KE9 and 3F8S), but I just discovered them and I'm enjoying their music quite a lot.

I had tried a couple of months ago to get into their music with BSS, but I don't know I found it too weird or too pompous at times. My prog taste at the time was less developped than today I guess.

Anyways, I tried again recently and wow they are great. The instrumental sections are crazy, jazzy and sometimes totally weird but they are awesome. Lake's voice and bass playing are tastefull, Palmer's drumming is great and Emerson... well it's Emerson I guess!

So far I've digested BSS a bit and started on the self titled. Any opinions on where I should go next? Trilogy? Tarkus? PaaE?

Tony

My opinion... do Tarkus, Trilogy, then Pictures...
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Points: 4215 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 19:27

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

i got tarkus, PaaE and BSS the other day. BSS sounds really good. jerusalem! what an intro, i havent listen to KE9 yet. i did not like benny the bouncer, it would have been better if a more serious piece was put in its place. Clearly filler. Tocatto was good, very weird! Still you turn me on is brilliant!

Tarkus is a great suite with an immense opening. I havent listened to the rest but Jeremy bender was a let down as it as an unserious filler that should have been left off.

I gave PaaE a go but i just couldn't stand the ridiculous song titles, it was alright musically, i will give it a proper chance soon

Its not filler... most ELP albums had a comedic song where they could break away from the bombastic and just have a good ole time.  Benny was the one on BSS and as KE9 said.. it gave a change of pace before the onslaught of the impressions of KE9.
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Points: 4215 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2005 at 19:29
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Just to add 'Pictures @ an exhibition' was a live album as you may know but was never recorded onto a studio album until Return of the manticore set.

How much of Pictures is on Return of the Manticore? Is it all of it, and is it the same version that part of is on the reissue of the Pictures CD?

No, its not all of Pictures.. and this version was remastered and added as a bonus to the cd version of ELP's "In the Hot Seat".. and that version sounds much better.
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Relating to pictures (I enjoy the ELP version btw) who has the "intended" orchestral version and what do you think of it ?. I have an EMI Classics edition by the Philadelphia Orchestra that I bought purely out of curiosity. imo ELP did Mussy a big favour

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As a trio their first six albums(inc the 2 live albums) released 1970-1974 are the best.These were 'genre defining' albums.After that they recorded three very worthy peices of music as a trio but little else.Those three being Pirates (from Works Vol One 1977), Memoirs Of An Officer and a Gentleman (from Love Beach 1979) and Black Moon (from the album of the same name 1992).There's always Emerson,Lake and Powell which a great many ELP fans rate highly (I don't).BTW Don't bother with In The Hot Seat 1994 which is cr*p. 
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2005 at 09:51
If Benny the Bouncer is just filler "Frenchie", how come they played it live?
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Points: 450 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2005 at 11:10

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

If Benny the Bouncer is just filler "Frenchie", how come they played it live?

I suppose to replicate the feel of their studio albums... 

I'm a HUGE ELP fan... in fact, they're one of my favorite prog rock bands.  Sometimes I may seem a bit critical, but that's because I'm really passionate about their music.
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