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    Posted: May 16 2008 at 19:55
My local second hand music shop just got a Line 6 AX2 212 amp. I'm interested in hearing from any of you who may have played it. The store is waiting for the seller to decide whether to accept their price.
I've had the Pod 2.0, which I came to find too digital & tinny sounding. I currently have a Boss GT6 multi-effects processor, which I mostly use for the effects (gain/dist/reverb/delay/chorus) and about a dozen amp simulations. I find it pretty good, although at the moment I have a Vox VR30 hybrid amp. I was planning to buy an Epiphone valve jr speaker cabinet to improve on the sound. The 10" speaker in the Vox is OK, and it makes for a great little practice amp at 30 watts (solid state), but it doesn't have much bottom end. So the Epiphone's 12" speaker does make a world of difference.
So I wonder ... do I go for the Line 6, trading my amp & boss GT6; or do I stick with what I have and use the Epi cab for the bigger sound when I need it.
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The AX2 is obsolete (in terms of Line 6s product range anyway), and given I don't think the Spider amp were that great, an AX2 is not going to sound any better than what you have now.
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Wait hang on, are you using your multi effects unit through a guitar amp?
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Points: 3596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2008 at 19:43
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Wait hang on, are you using your multi effects unit through a guitar amp?

Yes, the Vox VR30 I currently have. I have on occasion put it through a PA mixer. In both cases, I've made sure to select the correct output (amp/headphone/mixer/midi). But as with these multi-effect products, as most do, I really only use & understand a minor part of all that is available.
While I like the little Vox, it really is not suited for jamming at anything more than a very moderate level of volume. The 10 " speaker sounds fine, but it's gets too trebley at higher volumes.
I like the Boss gt6 that I have. Mostly because I am a curious bugger who can't choose one amp sound.
The few times that I've plugged it into my friend's mixer, I've found it sounded pretty good. But then, it should as he's got a Speaker set up fit for a club gig.
Lately though, I've been looking at either getting a speaker cab for the Vox (some reviews on line have called it a poor man's AC30, that's me, the poor man Tongue), or trying to find space in our family budget (and also a reason to justify) to purchase a tube amp.
The local music shop has good deals on Traynor YCV40s, Fender Devilles. But my dream AC30 is still $1100CAD incl. taxes. If & when I buy, I plan on selling the Vox amp & the Boss pedal to help with the financing. Which is why the Traynors are first in mind at $800. But I really prefer a 2 X 12 amp.
In the meantime, to "tide" me over, the Epiphone Valve Junior 12" speaker cab is a good deal at $165 & a big  improvement in sound for my Vox. Plus I get to keep my amp as a practice amp, and still have the Boss pedal.

BTW, the AX2  has been priced at $600, so it's out of my range.
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Well in terms of multi effect devices like those offered by Line 6, Boss, Zoom, Behringer etc, those are kinda wasted going through guitar amps if you use the amp models on them. The reason for this is, guitar amps have cut off points in their frequency range, typically the average guitar amp wont go below 30 or 40hz and the high end cuts off around 10khz. This partly explains why when you play a CD through say the line in of a guitar amp it will sound a little muffled compared to running it through a full frequency range system, like a Hi Fi system, PA system or Mixer board etc etc. Guitars amps sound like they do partly because of their limited frequency range and the same goes for bass amps.

But take my rig for example: Brian Moore Guitars I12000 series> Behringer V amp2 (multi effect/amp modeller)> stereo system. Why do I use my stereo as a power amp for my amp modeller/multi effect device? Because the Behringer samples it's sounds at about 32khz, which if you take the Nyquist Theorem (or whatever it's called) into account, that means it will produce a frequency range from 20hz to 16khz. What this means in real world terms, is that running this through a guitar amp will result in a slightly muffled and generally less clear sound. This is why it's strongly recommended you run multi effects through full frequency devices rather than guitar/bass amps (although from what I know, a Roland JC-120 amp is actually a full frequency guitar amp, but I might have a bad source, so don't take that as gospel).
 
My full recommendation is to sell all that stuff, and you will have easily enough money for a Line 6 POD X3Live, which can obviously be used for gigs, rehearsal and home practice, and you can just run it on a stereo system or just get a keyboard amp for it (you can get fairly cheap ones these days, that will still sound good). That will sound heaps better than the GT-6, and there is no worry about a bad back from carrying an amp around, cos you can just bring the Line 6 to places and plug them into any old PA system or whatever is there and it will sound great.
You seem to like the idea of the versatility of devices like your Boss GT, and if you want a really versatile tube amp for the money you seem to have, you can basically forget about that, save perhaps the Line 6 Spider Valve, all tube and yet highly versatile.
I'd seriously take into account the PODX3, since it will sound superb and you have an amazing array of amp models and effects at your disposal, plus recording capability as well.
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