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    Posted: April 13 2008 at 06:41
Just listening to Kraftwerk's 'The Man Machine' and it's influence on 80's disco music is evident, so it got me thinking which progressive bands have really influenced popular music.
 
some bands I come up with are.
Kraftwerk (some people claim Kraftwerk went pop, but I think pop went Kraftwerk)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 07:11
I hesitate to write this, but didn't Rick Wakeman's style of piano playing influence the horrible Richard Clayderman, who had one enormous (instrumental) hit, probably 'bigger' than anything our Wakey ever did?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 07:53
Peter Hammill had a great influence on Sid Vicious.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 08:25
I'm looking for a larger impact, and Sid Viscous isn't really pop.
 
Kraftwerk for instance had a huge impact on several pop artist, and basically invented the whole electronic pop scene that dominated the sound of the eighties.
 
Bands influenced by Kraftwerk:
David Bowie (Station II Station, the Berlin Trilogie etc.)
Queen (The Works, most notably in Machines, Radio GaGa)
Orchestral Manouvres in the Dark (OMD)
Giorgio Moroder
Human League
Depeche Mode
Yello
 
and the list goes on and on and on.
 
also Kraftwerk influenced the DJ and House culture as it was created in Chicago and New York, influencing the Ambient, trance, techno scene etc. New Wave wouldn't be what it is without Kraftwerk.
 
personally I think Kraftwerk belongs to the most influential bands of all time.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 08:28
Brian Eno fixed pop for a while. That was neato of him.

Outside of that, I'm not sure. I'm never any good at mining influences. =( Could it be argued that Floyd's later brand of guitar rock paved the way for bands like The Cure, etc etc?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 08:35
interesting thread...

the two that jump immediately to mind are Kraftwerk and Bowie.

have heard many say Neu! was a big influence as well.. true or not... dicuss?  To listen to the albums... it sure sounds like they would have.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 08:44
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

Brian Eno fixed pop for a while. That was neato of him.

Outside of that, I'm not sure. I'm never any good at mining influences. =( Could it be argued that Floyd's later brand of guitar rock paved the way for bands like The Cure, etc etc?
 
I think Eno was somewhat influenced by Kraftwerk aswell (see also the David Bowie stuff he did, and his work with Talking Heads). but with Eno the influence can also be mutual, also considering Tangerine Dream, Can and Klaus Schulze for influencing Kraftwerk and vice-versa, I always consider Eno to be somewhat linked with electronic ambient krautrock (I believe he lived in Germany in the late 70's).
 
I'm not really sure how big Pink Floyd's influence was in pop music, It sure is likely they had impact, but I can't really locate it specifically outside the progressive and psychedelic realm. (they influenced Eloy, Yes, Genesis, Marillion, Pendragon, Tool, Radiohead etc. but that's all progressive stuff).
 
Neu! is a spin-off band of KraftwerkWink but they probably did influence Bowie and Eno.
 
which brings us to Brian Eno as being highly influential aswell (again Bowie, Talking Heads, U2, Ultravox, Devo, Ambient and landscape music in general)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 08:52
a spin off of Kraftwerk?.. sure... but just where did they spin off to....

I'll toss this out there.. took quickly from the web... how is it wrong?

'Neu! (ger. for "New!", pronounced [ˈnɔɪ] "noy") was a German band, probably the archetypal example of what the UK music press at the time dubbed Krautrock. The band had minimal commercial success when active, but are credited with being a huge influence on a diverse group of artists, including PiL, Joy Division, David Bowie, Stereolab, Gary Numan, Ultravox, Simple Minds as well as the current electronic music scene.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 09:02
On the other way around, some pop bands influenced prog bands : Police on KC and Rush in the eighties.
 
There is also the case of veteran prog musicians who played in pop bands : Stewart Copeland with Police, Manu Katché and Bernard Paganotti with many french artists...
 
Some new-wave and cold-wave artists may have been influenced by prog artists : joy division (VDGG ? David Bowie : initially Ian Curtis wanted to name his band "Warsaw" from the title "Warszawa" featured on Bowie's album "Low"), XTC, siouxie and banshees, echo and bunnymen, cure, the church, dead can dance. And members of Japan collaborated after the band split up with the most renokwn prog artists...Some claim Krautrock, psychedelic rock, and the album "Low" by David Bowie would have paved the way for new wave.
 
The indus scene could have been inspired by the experimentations inherent to psychedelic rock and prog rock : Einsturzende Neubauten, Ministry, Godflesh, NIN.
 
Some other experimenting bands like Cabaret Voltaire (at least at their debuts), Mercury Rev, Tindersticks may also have somthing in common with the adventurous vision of prog bands.
 
And today's indie rock bands have some prog roots (bloc party, editors ? (more influenced by JD), decemberists, modest mouse, mogwai, BSS...)
 
Kate Bush had a huge influence on Tori Amos, Paula Cole, Madonna, Happy Rhodes, (Alanis Morrisette ?, Bjork ?), and Kristeen Young.
 
And I think many glam metal (hair metal ?) bands like KISS, Twisted sisters, motley Crue, WASP, RATT, and most recently Tokyo Hotel (for the androgynous look of their vocalist) find some influence in bands like Queen, Roxy Music or David Bowie (who, to some extent, can be regarded as borderline with prog)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 09:05
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

a spin off of Kraftwerk?.. sure... but just where did they spin off to....

I'll toss this out there.. took quickly from the web... how is it wrong?

'Neu! (ger. for "New!", pronounced [ˈnɔɪ] "noy") was a German band, probably the archetypal example of what the UK music press at the time dubbed Krautrock. The band had minimal commercial success when active, but are credited with being a huge influence on a diverse group of artists, including PiL, Joy Division, David Bowie, Stereolab, Gary Numan, Ultravox, Simple Minds as well as the current electronic music scene.
 
It isn't wrong, but Neu!'s influence is based on their relation to Kraftwerk I think, like I mentioned I'm pretty sure Neu! influenced Bowie and Eno (listen to Berlin trilogie and Eno's Before and after Science) it's pretty obvious Neu! was part of the inspiration, Eno produced some Ultravox albums, Joy Division (and subsequent New Order) probably did have some Neu! influences indeed, but again that can also be contributed to Kraftwerk, or Eno, being part of the early New Wave scene.
 
So maybe Neu! was influential, but you can't see them entirely separated from Kraftwerk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 09:12
of course you can't seperate them entirely ... which is why Kraftwerk gets, deservedly the lionshare of the credit, being the first you mentioned.. the first I thought of once I saw your thread...  but Neu!.. spin-off or not was influential within pop. Thus.. deserves a mention I would believe hahah.

you can pretty much toss the whole Krautrock movement into this category...  that among anything prog ever did .. influenced pop music.. it was that TRULY progressive..  not taking 18 minute symphonic instrumental masturbations and running them into the ground. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 12:15
I have to go with Jethro Tull.  As one might remember they won a grammy a few years back.   LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 12:36
That's a rather hard and a good question because once I got interested in prog I lost interest and pretty much quit paying attention to pop.  I did let it spin around in my head a little though. 

Tears For Fears credited Robert Wyatt for influencing I Believe off of Songs From The Big Chair.   I remember seeing this on the LP but it's not present on the CD copy of the album I have.  I think there are strong prog influences going on in both their first two albums.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 13:44
Magma was a huge influence on every pop band ever to exist post-1980.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 13:48
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Magma was a huge influence on every pop band ever to exist post-1980.


Oh, hmm, I wouldn't call them an influence so much as a looming monolith, casting a shadow that suffuses all it envelopes with a feeling of profound and inevitable inferiority and transient unimportance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 13:59
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

interesting thread...

the two that jump immediately to mind are Kraftwerk and Bowie...


And Hammill is said to be a big influence on the pop/ art rock artist Bowie (I believe Bowie has credited him as an influence, and voiced his admiration).  Johnny Rotten, who is a vocal admirer of Hammill, has said that he believes that Bowie copied him considerably.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 15:36
I notice you're all discussing perfectly respectable bands, and it almost makes me feel foolish, but it still seems obvious that Rick W. influenced Richard Clayderman, who must have been more succesful (at least commercially), more 'pop' (like it or not), than the likes of Joy Division or Tears for Fears: his "Ballade pour Adeline" (Ballade for Adeline) has sold (according to Wikipedia) 22 million copies in 38 countries!

Another unique phenomenon: Mike Oldfield's (almost) one-man symphonies in imaginary languages (such as OMMADAWN and AMAROK) obviously influenced the "classical pops" albums by Karl Jenkins (an ex prog musician!) and Adiemus, which still sell by the bucketload, at least in the U.K. - now THERE's "pop music" for you! Or are we talking about prog?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 15:45
Bowie was obviously influenced by Hammill as well as Arthur Brown.

Roxy Music was a big influence on the new wave movement.

Phil Manzenera's Diamond Head, with Eno on board, displayed a new rock style that started to show up in other bands a few years later.

Eno's music and subtley-psychedelic production style have been a big influence on a lot of music.

In the mid-70s, when a lot of progressive acts were making big bucks, it became fashionable for otherwise pop leaning bands to have gratuitous progressive elements such as keyboard stacks and occaisonal psuedo-classical intros to songs.

Lately I have been noticing the use of psuedo-progressive rock in car commercials, for better or for worse it seems progressive rock may be entering a popular phase again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 19:00
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:


Lately I have been noticing the use of psuedo-progressive rock in car commercials, for better or for worse it seems progressive rock may be entering a popular phase again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 19:07
The late Kevin Gilbert who was a simultaneously a prog & pop musician was influenced by 70-77 Genesis.
 
Err... wasn't Phil C*****s influenced by Genesis too?
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