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Real Paradox
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Topic: Uriah Heep-Underrated?...Of Course. Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:38 |
Such a great Prog rock band...They should be praised like Pink Floyd or Rush...God, they're music is good and it can capture anyones ear...they diserve so much...Please tell me what do you think about this wonderfull band.
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:53 |
Lately I've been listening to Demons And Wizards and Very 'eavy...Very 'umble alot. Both top notch albums.
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:09 |
Pinkk wrote:
Lately I've been listening to Demons And Wizards and Very 'eavy...Very 'umble alot. Both top notch albums. |
Nice...you should try "Magicians Birthday" its my fav!;
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:13 |
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:47 |
I've no idea who Bob is either, but I do like the Lego Tarkus.
I don't know Heep that well, beyond the fact that they were critically derided back in the seventies (not that that's any reason not to like them). Weirdly one of my ex-girlfriends was quite a big fan. Maybe David Byron's frilly shirts did something for her.
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:47 |
I got Very 'Eavy Very 'Umble and Look At Yourself recently.
I think the first of those is basically saved by the three versions of Gypsy (*especially the BBC session version), as well as Byron's enchanting vocals on Come Away Melinda. Otherwise, I can't say there's much compelling on it, some of it sounds pretty generic.
Look At Yourself, however, is amazing. The hard rock opener is superb, July Morning is beautiful, and Shadows of Grief and Love Machine are also pretty stunning. What Should Be Done is a nice contrast; I'm not massively fond of Tears in My Eyes (although it's OK) and I Wanna Be Free starts off a little weakly, but develops into a good tune.
I can't say I've found any of the later samples on PA particularly gripping (probably due to my computer's speakers, which are really not great), but if those two albums are anything to go by, I'm definitely heading for more.
Edited by TGM: Orb - January 21 2008 at 17:49
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 19:04 |
Under appreciated maybe. But underrated?
They don't recieve much hate where I look on the boards.
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 20:13 |
really like Uriah Heep... Salisbury was one of the albums that early on really grabbed me as a kid. Love the album... the rest.. not bad. Can't really praise them too much because I do think the similarities with DP are quite stark since DP sounds to be their main influence... and probably acclaim or praise that might have gone to them.. went to the more original.. and overall influential of the two.. probably the arch-type Hard or Heavy prog band. Deep Purple.
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 20:45 |
I like me some Heep. They are criminally ignored. "Stealin'" was a big hit on Cleveland radio, and to this day it's the only song of theirs that you're likely to hear.
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 21:40 |
micky wrote:
I do think the similarities with DP are quite stark since DP sounds to be their main influence. |
I think the roots are somewhere else. Both Jon Lord and Mick Box, in diffferent time, recalled that VANILLA FUDGE (organ and guitar, sounding in unison and, in case of Heep vocal harmonies also) were big influence for DP and UH respectively.
It became a common place to consider Heep DP followers. Yes, both bands are heavy and use organ extensively, but they sound completely different, especially in vocal parts.
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 22:32 |
NotAProghead wrote:
I think the roots are somewhere else. Both Jon Lord and Mick Box, in diffferent time, recalled that VANILLA FUDGE (organ and guitar, sounding in unison and, in case of Heep vocal harmonies also) were big influence for DP and UH respectively.
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good point.... would be interesting to see a 'family tree' out of Vanilla Fudge... I mean you might be able to argue that the more influential rocks groups of alltime than VF... can be counted on one hand.... no more than two certainly. That said... let's stick to the OP's point... whether the the two bands are or are not similar... regardless of differences in sound.. they were alike in style... both with forever be considered proto-metal by many. Time..history and most importantly ... public perception has tied DP and UR together. For that reason UR will always be underrated.. and underappreciated. The differences between them are not so much that UR is seen to have be an offshoot stylistically from DP.. and thus... preference aside... a lesser quantity in terms of regard perhaps. something like this typifies the thought around these groups... ' I came to be a fan of Heavy
Metal because of the song, "Smoke on the Water" from Deep Purple back
in 1972. I suppose that sort of dates me, doesn't it? I bought a number
of Deep Purple LPs and was enthralled by the used of the Hammond Organ
in their music. To this date, I still can't safely drive a car if
"Burn" or "Child In Time" are playing on the radio. "Smoke on the
Water" made me want to find other bands in the same vein. I
"discovered" Uriah Heep in the late 70's and early 80's. I've been a
Heepster ever since, owning almost every one of the twenty or so albums
they released.'
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Posted: January 21 2008 at 23:46 |
Uriah Heep is quite easily the fave Hard Rock (or in our language Heavy Prog) band for me... None of the bands stilistically close to UH had such a focus on melody... (if someone does know any such band please name me one) Closest really would come Deep Purple (which I like a lot), but hey aren't really half as melodic. Of course maybe there were some DP influenses in Heep's music but what then? Ken Hensley had once said he took an idea of orchestral arrangements of Salisbury from Purple's Concerto... but result is quite different: much more organic and perfect balance between orchestra and hard rock.
And what's most important: Uriah Heep's music creates some unique Heroic atmosphere. I really haven't heard any other band do it to this extent (again, please name one if you know), and for only this they should have been much loved and appreciated...
Anyway what I'm trying to say is that they are really criminally underrated (and underappreciated, also) "on the basis on uninformed preconceptions" like our dear Bob McBeath says, whom this thread does really need .
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Posted: January 22 2008 at 00:02 |
Another heep lover here. even though their music is all over the board, the guitar/organ/vocal melodies and emphasis has been a great part of their music. Something about them just makes the music have that feel to it, like its not being forced. I really cant describe it, other than I just really enjoy listening to UH, in all its incarnations.
I would love for the current band to tour the US, but alas, they have nowhere near the following as they do in Europe. From what I understand, they still have a very good following in Europe.
Ok, this is WAY OT, but it also bugs me how Gary Moore (an AMAZING guitarist) has such a following in Europe, but is almost completely unheard of in the US.
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Posted: January 22 2008 at 08:57 |
Anyways I do see Uriah Heep as a grand-father of Prog Metal...But they have still much more Jazz and Classical music influences than Rush, and that is what makes the band so intresting!
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 04:04 |
Tarkus31 wrote:
Ok, this is WAY OT, but it also bugs me how Gary Moore (an AMAZING guitarist) has such a following in Europe, but is almost completely unheard of in the US. |
Cue my old story of how Gary Moore was once my roadie (true!).
His first outing with Skid Row (NOT the US band!) in 1970 is nothing short of astonishing - especially considering he was 17 when he recorded it. Before they recorded the album "Skid", they unfortunately lost their original vocalist, who went by the name of Phil Lynott...
Anyway, on to Heep - I think they're over-rated as a Prog band - I hear very, very little Prog in their music.
I do like them an enornous amount, however - great hard rock band with prog pretentions (but no real Prog!). They were obviously a huge influence on Spinal Tap - and that only makes me like their music more.
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 04:43 |
Heep had their prog moments, IMHO; 'Wake Up Set Your Sights', 'Salisbury', 'I'll Keep On Trying', 'July Morning', 'Paradise/The Spell'...Some of the slightly later epics like 'The Magician's Birthday' and 'Pilgrim' are really more excessive than progressive, really- definitely, those two tracks are really into Spinal Tap territory. Check out that CD of rarities called 'The Lansdowne Tapes'- there's some decent early prog material on there.
I don't know, I tend to find I don't play these guys anywhere near as I used to. The post-Byron albums in particular; perhaps I overdid it a few years ago as I'm not sure most of the albums they did after 'Firefly' stand up to it ('Sea Of Light' I still like though). The lyrics are often very much of their time, but no more so than most of Rush's 70s stuff or Led Zeppelin songs like 'Immigrant Song', 'No Quarter', 'Ramble On' et al.
Back onto Gary Moore; I got those early Skid Row albums a few months ago and I think there might be a place for them here. I'm loathe to use that 'if X is here Y should be too' kind of non-argument but those albums are pretty progressive IMHO- certainly as much as similar albums by Bakerloo, T2 and May Blitz. Was a bit disappointed with the blues turn Gary Moore took; it was OK for one or two albums but that's all he's done for almost 20 years!!
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 09:02 |
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 10:26 |
For me, Uriah Heep`s "Wizard" defined English art rock. Mystical. Magical. Ever see the video with all the hippie people dancing around the band doing this song ? Trippy trippy.
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