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    Posted: December 22 2007 at 09:52
In PA exists someone that it loves the Prog produced between 1967 and 1970?
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I'm not a true aficionado of those priod. But various album of those period are very good.
 
In my opinion those period it was indeed fecund, with optimal ideas. Nearly like those of the period 1970/ 1976! Clearly without the magic of 1970/ 1976 period.
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Wel, two of my favourite albums ever were made in this period...but I'm not sure you could call them prog:

Pink Floyd - Ummagumma
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew


Mostly tho' it's the 1970 - 1975 era that does it for me.
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2007 at 16:06
Originally posted by Sole Sole wrote:

In PA exists someone that it loves the Prog produced between 1967 and 1970?
 
Which are your favourite albums from that period?
 
Which groups from before 1967 would you say were fundamental in laying down the basics for what we now call Prog?
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What albums would you highlight from 1967 and 1968 (I.e. pre ITCOTCK) as being prog Sole?

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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

What albums would you highlight from 1967 and 1968 (I.e. pre ITCOTCK) as being prog Sole?

 
I love that era of Psyche and Proto Prog, an era that's sadkly underrated here and placed in the same level of Prog Related, withhout the music of 67 to 70, there would not be Prog today, most of the development happened there and we seem not to notice it.
 
  1. The Crazy World of Arthur Brown - Arthur Brown (1968)
  2. Etcetera - Laghonia (1971, but all the music is from 1966 to 1970, not released before becausde lack of money).
  3. Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera - Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera (1967)
  4. Their Satanic Majesties Request - Rolling Stones (1967)
  5. Sweetwater - Sweetwater (1968)
  6. The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack - The Nice (1967)
  7. Santana - Santana  (1968)
  8. Procol Harum - Procol Harum (1967)
  9. The Strawbs - The Strawbs (1969)
  10. Virgin - Traffic Sound (1969)
Just to mention 10.
 
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Certif1ed and Easy Livin in reference to your questions I can say you that please me and I consider Prog in 1967/ 1970 period:
 
1st of Pink Floyd;
"Days Of Future Passed", "In Search Of The Lost Chord", "On The Treshold Of A Dream" and "To Our Children's Children's Children" by The Moody Blues;
All The Nice's albums;
Iron Butterfly's "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida";
Andromeda (Uk);
Santana's "Santana";
Strawbs: "Strawbs";
David Bowie: "Space Oddity"
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The last single of I Sagittari (pre I Delirium).


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Interesting choices there guys. It does I suppose resurrect the old debate as to whether ITCOTCK was the first prog album.
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love this period too..  all the Nice albums of course, as well as Czar, Family, High Tide, Colosseum, Blood,Sweat & Tears, GG&F, the Beach Boys, Touch



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I haven't listened to it for years but I think The 12 Dreams of Doctor Sardonicus by Spirit might fall in this pre-Prog style if my memory serves me correctly.
 
Oh yes and how about Ogden's Nut Gone Flake by The Small Faces.
 
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As much as I hate to say it the Beatles were the first to come up with the art / rock formula on the SGT Pepper album. Many artists will attest to this from Bob Fripp to Larry Coryell. One often overlooked band from this period is Ekseption from the Netherlands who played almost not for note rockier versions of Bach Beethoven et al.
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Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

I haven't listened to it for years but I think The 12 Dreams of Doctor Sardonicus by Spirit might fall in this pre-Prog style if my memory serves me correctly.
 
Oh yes and how about Ogden's Nut Gone Flake by The Small Faces.
 


With a 1970 release date, 12 Dreams is late psychedelia,  coming before the split into Randy California's band and Jo Jo Gunne
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Soft Machine Soft Machine/Volume 2.
Glad somebody remembered Touch. What about both Nice's and  heavy rock's influence, Vanilla Fudge?
Tomorrow?

Put myself a compilation together - and never considered the BeatlesEvil%20Smile:

1.      White Rabbit: Great Society (1965/6)

2.      Section 43: Country Joe & The Fish (1966)

3.      You Keep Me Hangin’ On: Vanilla Fudge (1968)

4.      Nights In White Satin: Moody Blues (1967)

5.      My White Bicycle: Tomorrow (1967)

6.      Astronomy Domine: Pink Floyd (1967)

7.      She Said Good Morning: Pretty Things (1967)

8.      Azrial: Nice

9./10./11. Hope For Happiness/Joy Of A Toy/ Hope For Happiness (Reprise): Soft Machine (1968)

12. The American Metaphysical Circus: The United States    Of America (1968)

13. Every Little Thing: Yes (1968)

14. We Feel Fine: Touch (1968)

15. The Wanderer: Renaissance (1969)

16. Epitaph: King Crimson (1969)

17. Love Has Found A Way: Spirit (1970)

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Amon Düül 2 - Phallus Dei from 1969.
I don't name the very first Kraut album ever, Psychedelic Underground by Amon Düül, because, although it was very important for the development of Kraut ("after this album no band needed to have an inferiority complex", as journalist Ingeborg Schober put it in her book about Amon Düül), it has very little to do with prog


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Amon Duul were more of a political hippie band along with Floh de Cologne and all the early Kratrock bands. Some of these bands even had conections with the Baader- Meinhoff Gans. I `ve heard it refered to as Kosmische Musik many times. Prog ? Not prog even though it`s here on PA.
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Interesting choices there guys. It does I suppose resurrect the old debate as to whether ITCOTCK was the first prog album.


Of course the first album in the archives under the Prog banner is (unless it's changed):


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SEVENTH SONS
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(1964)
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The album that really springs to mind is "Freak Out!", bet then of course theirs "Piper at The Gates of Dawn". Also I like Johnny and His Cellar Rockers a lot, but that's not prog.
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1967:

1967 3.99
Excellent%20addition%20to%20any%20prog%20music%20collection
(19 ratings) 		CAPTAIN BEEFHEART
Safe As Milk		 RIO/Avant-Prog
(Studio Album)


1967 4.75
Essential:%20a%20masterpiece%20of%20progressive%20music
(3 ratings) 		ELMER GANTRY'S VELVET OPERA
Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera		 Psychedelic/Space Rock
(Studio Album)



1967 4.05
Excellent%20addition%20to%20any%20prog%20music%20collection
(36 ratings) 		ZAPPA, FRANK
Absolutely Free		 RIO/Avant-Prog
(Studio Album)

1967 3.92
Excellent%20addition%20to%20any%20prog%20music%20collection
(259 ratings) 		PINK FLOYD
The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn		 Psychedelic/Space Rock
(Studio Album)

1967 4.00
Excellent%20addition%20to%20any%20prog%20music%20collection
(6 ratings) 		NIEMEN, CZESŁAW
Dziwny Jest Ten Swiat 		Eclectic Prog
(Studio Album)

1967 3.52
Excellent%20addition%20to%20any%20prog%20music%20collection
(23 ratings) 		NICE, THE
The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack 		Symphonic Prog
(Studio Album)

1967 3.00
Good,%20but%20non-essential
(1 ratings) 		INDEXI
Nase Doba		 Heavy Prog
(Singles/EPs/Fan Club/Promo)

1967 1.00
Poor.%20Only%20for%20completionists
(2 ratings) 		SKALDOWIE
Skaldowie		 Eclectic Prog

1967 2.00
Collectors/fans%20only
(1 ratings) 		XHOL CARAVAN / XHOL
Get In High		 Krautrock
(Studio Album)

1967 0.00
Bad.%20Do%20not%20buy!
( ratings) 		AUGER, BRIAN
Open		 Jazz Rock/Fusion
(Studio Album)


Just a 1967 list of albums from bands/ artists that are included as Prog.  How many of these might be considered true Prog (at least according to the Prog umbrella we utilise now, which is rather revisionist)?



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In my opinion the Proto prog of The Nice or Procol Harum or Ekseption or Nirvana (for pure examples) hasn't nothing to that to see with Psychedelic Rock.
 
For me the cited type of Proto Prog is the true Pre Prog and it would have to be dealt like a true Prog genre in PA.


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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Interesting choices there guys. It does I suppose resurrect the old debate as to whether ITCOTCK was the first prog album.
 
I really don't think that that needs to be revisited.  While I personally am of the opinion that Days of Future Passed was the first prog album, I understand that there are strong reasons for considering ITCOTCK as well
 
The really interesting thing here is the time period the original poster gave.  While I wouldn't say that everything prior to 1971 was proto prog, the genre didn't really gel until then.
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