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    Posted: December 09 2007 at 20:47
when did this new genre addition happen? and where was math rock before? have i missed something? What are your thoughts on this? personally im just a little confused, i just caught it. is this necessary? and how are math rock and post rock related?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 20:53
many mathrock bands have formed over the past five to ten years, it had become a big and viable category of its own

..as for its relation to Postrock, it is usually lumped in with Postrock in the music mainstream though the two categories are not very connected other than time period and nationality, thus the need for a balanced distinction...  I would prefer the two categories were separate altogether but at least the genre is recognized


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 20:55
math rock pwns. and i feel the difference between math rock and post rock is simple (IMO). Space. losts and lots of space and ambiet sections. Both excellent genres. And im glad the finally added the much needed Math Rock Section.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:04
Post rock is the more simple atmospheric music like GY!BE, or Sigur ros. Math Rock is like Russian circles, more of a complicated sound, with a spacey all together (at least, from the few math rock bands I've heard).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:07
 
 
 
math rock focouses on odd time signatures and dissonance, it is easily confused for punk. post rock is atmospheric. there are some bands with a foot in both genres like 65daysofstatic and Russian Circles


Edited by Easy Livin - December 10 2007 at 03:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:36
Word B. So russian circles is Math rock? hmmm. i have heard a very little math rock, only bands like the newly added Battles which i didnt quite like. I didnt notice a connection with post rock with them as well but im just not well versed enough to have an opinion on the genre yet. obviously i know about post rock i was just a little confused about when this addition happened. it seemed like i clicked the forum button one minute, went back to the homepage a minute later and all of a sudden the mathrock/postrock icon was there and i had heard nothing about this in discussion or announcement at all, it just kinda happened. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:39
we tend to do that, then have someone make a confused thread about it. Check out my new subgenres thread created a few months back, right after the art rock split. that was a hell of an argument.
 
Mathrock is good here, I'm glad they are joining the ranks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 21:39
much work behind the scenes, willhelm, all towards providing a way for members to find like-minded artists


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 22:32
i know, and i agree whole heartily with the splits, particularly the progmetal split as that is my main area of interest. I have added a rediculous amount of music since the split which would not have happened before when the five hundred or so artists were lumped together. just curious as to when this happened and such. i almost like it more in art rock but i dont want to be an instigator here... i know what happens to them folks LOL. im perfectly happy with math rock where it is. any suggestions on where to start listening, id like to find out what its all about?


EDIT- of course when i say "art rock" i mean heavy, eclectic or crossover.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 22:39
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

when did this new genre addition happen?

This only happened a couple of days ago. No more than 2 weeks.

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

and where was math rock before?

There wasn't a math rock genre before although there were math rock bands throughout the different genres in progarchives (post-rock, heavy prog, avant-prog). The new genre was to consolidate these bands and to keep adding math rock bands to progarchives.

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

have i missed something?

Yes, but that's classified. Tongue Wink

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

What are your thoughts on this?

I'm all for it. It took a lot of time and effort to do this so I'm very happy with the addition.

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

personally im just a little confused, i just caught it. is this necessary?

Yes, it's necessary. Math Rock bands are Prog and they're as valid as any other bands and genres here in Progarchives.

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

and how are math rock and post rock related?

The relation to Post-Rock can be pretty blurry, but I think listening to some bands will help you out on this:
65DAYSOFSTATIC
AUTO!AUTOMATIC!!
TOE.


There are still bands missing in the genre that are still in other genres in Progarchives, but we're working on it.Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 22:43
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

...any suggestions on where to start listening, id like to find out what its all about?

Here are some recommendations:

AHLEUCHATISTAS
OXES
DON CABALLERO
YOUTHMOVIE SOUNDTRACK STRATEGIES / YOUTHMOVIES
SLEEPING PEOPLE


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 22:44
well, I'm listening to Oxes as we speak which are a very heavy, punk-influenced math band...  fantastic if you are in to that...  Sleeping People are  superb and just put out a new album Growing (their first s/t is great too).. and Sweep the Leg Johnny

Don Cab first two are excellent and 'American Don, and band Battles recommended






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:09
i do have a few 65daysofstatic songs, (retrieved off the recently deceased eSnips.com) while under the impression that they were post rock and got suprised when i heard their sound. Math rock makes sense. ill check out Sleeping People and Don Caballero for a start. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:40
Where is 'experimental'? Still in there too?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:44
So.. what happens when a Godspeed/Sigur Ros/EITS fan looks for something similar and comes across Ahleuchatistas?! Confusion and anger, I can only presume.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 23:49
 I like this split, being a newcomer to both genres. As a suggested improvement, would there be a way in the subgenres to identify which bands are post and which are math, just to give the prospective listener an idea of what to expect?

Stylistically, I think the differences are what everyone has stated, with post rock focuses on ambiance and texture and math focusing more on dissonance and technicality. I'm not very familiar with the math rock subgenre, however I know I enjoy a lot of technical metal, which I've heard referred to as math metal, such as Dillinger Escape Plan, Mastodon, Behold...The Arctopus, etc.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2007 at 00:12
i dont think math rock and math metal should get confused... at least the way i understand it. i listen to a lot of math metal, intronaut, dillinger escape plan, meshuggah, textures, behold . .  all the usual suspects, but from my scant view of math rock their tends to be not much of a similarity beyond the focus of technicality and precision. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2007 at 00:21
There seems to be so much "mathematical" prog that I don't see how a Math Rock subgenre can come about. Isn't the mathematics one of the defining characteristics of a lot of prog?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2007 at 03:30
I've had to edit some posts in this thread to remove the quoting of a now invisible offensive one.Wink
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