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el böthy 
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 Topic: Disapointing epics
Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:05 |
So, one of prog´s absolute best things are the epic songs, and I think we can all agree one that. What better than to listen to 20 min of what makes a band great? Most cases they are good but of course there are some that aren´t... and for those I have created this topic. Which epics dont you like? Which dont you think work? Are they too long? Was the band just not up for such challenge? You name them and explain why they dont work. I will start with Green Carnation´s Light of day, day of darkness. This song is one hour long... and its 40 minutes too long! Had they reduced it to 20, or 25 min it might have worked... hey, I even think 30 would have been nice! But one hour? How many times can they stick the same riff in it? I tell you, if you are gonna make a one hour song better have some "Holy crap, this is f**king awesome Im about to sh*t my pants" moments... not one... in 60 min! 
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:20 |
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For me the most disappointing epic is Thick as a Brick. This song is just to long and boring for me. I've listened to it only a few times and heard the whole thing only a couple. Every time I listen to it I find myself changing to another song at about minute 14. After that I just get bored and have to stop.
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:24 |
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Are you kidding? That's basically the climax of the first half, one of the most exciting parts! I'm biased because TAAB is my favorite, but anyway...
I'd have to say "Gates of Delirium" by Yes. Just kind of meh. Not enough variation.
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:28 |
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It's not really the music at that point of the song bores me more than the rest i just am bored by the entire song by that point. I get bored before that and try to finish it but just cant
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:30 |
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Does a near 15 minute song count? I find The Ministry of Lost Souls by Dream Theater to be a pretty dull song, not horrible but just rather boring.
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:31 |
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Gates of delirium was absolute joy after enduring The Revealing Science of God.
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el böthy
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:31 |
 Kaz4815 wrote:
Are you kidding? That's basically the climax of the first half, one of the most exciting parts! I'm biased because TAAB is my favorite, but anyway...
I'd have to say "Gates of Delirium" by Yes. Just kind of meh. Not enough variation. |
Wow, never thought Gates would be mentioned... I can see Thick being here, the second part is not thaaaaaaat good (still, I would never mention them)... but Gates???... 
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:33 |
Kaz4815 wrote:
Are you kidding? That's basically the climax of the first half, one of the most exciting parts! I'm biased because TAAB is my favorite, but anyway...
I'd have to say "Gates of Delirium" by Yes. Just kind of meh. Not enough variation. |
Are you kidding? That's one of Yes' most accomplished pieces! 
I can't think of any that I really don't like...
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:34 |
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so I'm not the only one completely and utterly let down by LODDOD
anyway hmm disappointing epics...
Atom Heart Mother..though I knew the album wasn't one of their better ones
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:42 |
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I agree with those who say Gates of Delirium. I'd add The Remembering to that list.
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 23:44 |
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 00:20 |
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Gates of Delerium. Kinda uninteresting until "Soon."
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 00:28 |
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Would "The Battle of Epping Forest" count as an epic? Because to me, that's a little too overdone, too many lyrics, too much happening at once, and that's from someone who is a huge fan of Van der Graaf and King Crimson.
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 00:41 |
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I like all the epics mentioned to this point.
What about Jean Michel Jarre's 'En Attendant Cousteau?' Woo hoo - 47 minutes of potential turned out to be ... a below-average exercise in ambience.
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el böthy
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 00:44 |
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I have another one, Echolyn´s Mei! Really the only exciting part is the second one, after that it seems they try to make the whole thing as long as possible
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 00:57 |
The Ancient -Yes
I can never get through the first 10 minutes or so, I allways skip to minute 13 or something like that where the acoustic song sets in. I just don't like the beginning 2/3 of that track...
Edit: And ofcourse that Moonchild track of ITCOTCK, which IMO is a waste of album space...just noodling (except for the first 2 minutes or so...)
Edited by Soul Dreamer - October 09 2007 at 01:27
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 01:53 |
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Supper's Ready
Here's the gun, shoot me if you wish. I happen to love Light of Day, Day of Darkness too. Go figure.
Edited by spacemetal - October 09 2007 at 01:54
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 02:11 |
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Going for the One is only suite from Yes I don't like ( but I know not many people think that way ). I think they keep playing it live today because it is the less demanding and more ambientesque of their suites.It is a good excuse to see Chris with his super-bass, though.
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 03:25 |
General observation.
Please try to add a comment or two to support your views. Simply naming a song does not stimulate debate.
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 04:00 |
TheMadCap wrote:
For me the most disappointing epic is Thick as a Brick.
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I totally agree with you. I first got to know the "condensed" live version (on BURSTING OUT) and I've always preferred it to the original, which is (in my view) simply not colourful enough. As far as Yes is concerned, I can't imagine why people would be bored by GATES OF DELIRIUM or THE REVEALING SCIENCE OF GOD: in spite of their titles, I find these pieces thrilling from beginning to end. Thirty (!) years ago, I also loved "Nous sommes du soleil", but THAT now really bores me: in the first main part (after the instrumental intro) the singing just goes on and on - sounds like hectoring to me! And don't get me started on AWAKEN: only the KEYS TO ASCENSION version almost convinces me, but I first need half of bottle of wine.
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