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Poll Question: A simple yes or no, foriegn opinions valued most.
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    Posted: June 11 2007 at 17:03

This poll is more out of curiosity than anything.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 17:06
No. Around this part of the world the bully is Russia. US external affairs have good effects on/in our country.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 17:20
I guess they are, but Coca-Cola is still a fine product. Actually, I don't have an opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 17:26
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I guess they are, but Coca-Cola is still a fine product. Actually, I don't have an opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 19:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 22:24
Yes. Unfortunately, a country that speaks of freedom and prosperity does not actually believe in it as much as it says it does. At least all the people that are supposed to represent the citizens don't.  It is said that countries act on their own interest, but that interest comes from within the individuals running that country.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 22:34
^^ Of course we believe in freedom and prosperity.  And yes, some of the those that represent us have their own agendas.  But this country is about freedom and opportunity.

I say NO.  We are not a bully.  I think a lot of others just want something to pick at.  They see the U.S. and what it represents and they start picking.  Yeah, yeah - you all don't like George Bush.  So what.  Get over it.  You only have to hear about him for 18 more months.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 22:41
though we sometimes bully the world, we seem to bully our own citizens more. Strange, that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 23:45
Yea, a lil bit. But I personally dont think we "bully" the world   as much as we rule it economically.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 23:51
Im afraid to awnser that... I dont want my lunch monye be taken away...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2007 at 23:52
We just misuse the words, "freedom" and "democracy" a lot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2007 at 08:42
Sorry, but "bullies" don't send billions of donated dollars, supplies and aid to Tsunami victims.  Say or think what you want but the USA is more generous than any other country on earth.  Check out how much aid the huge China sent to their needy neighbors.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2007 at 09:06
Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

Sorry, but "bullies" don't send billions of donated dollars, supplies and aid to Tsunami victims.  Say or think what you want but the USA is more generous than any other country on earth.  Check out how much aid the huge China sent to their needy neighbors.

I wonder how much of that money went to the poor?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2007 at 09:10
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Yea, a lil bit. But I personally dont think we "bully" the world   as much as we rule it economically.
 
We might rule it in the sense of demanding imports. I think the USA days are numbered with India and China becoming more economically developed. The US is losing hundreds of jobs to foriegn countries as well. I think Bill Clinton was on the money when he talked about a Global Economy and the US needing to position itself for that happening.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2007 at 09:56
Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

Sorry, but "bullies" don't send billions of donated dollars, supplies and aid to Tsunami victims.  Say or think what you want but the USA is more generous than any other country on earth.  Check out how much aid the huge China sent to their needy neighbors.


Actually, the US does not rank high amongst developed Western nations for its percent of gross domestic income devoted to charity.  While American individuals are very generous, state sponsored money is not so generous.  And it's "the state" that people blame for bullying -- an aggressive "America first" foreign policy prone to "gun boat" diplomacy.

You might find this an interesting analysis: http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp

Even if that were true, that argument would not hold water though.  Do you think that the US government puts more into charitable relief work or the military industrial complex? And is the US military acting primarily for the greater good (in international dealings)?  Of course its first job is to protect American citizens.

I see US foreign policy as very invasive and bullying (both economic policy as well as military objectives).  I don't see this as anything new either... Look at the state's dealings in Latin America and around the world for many years.  Look at the dictatorship's that have been supported through American intervention.

The US state has a record for not adhering to international law and treaties.

The US is one of many countries that use coercive tactics, but as the major economic and military power, people do focus on it. 

As for China, China has a terrible record.

As Bush put it, "You're either with us, or against us."


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2007 at 10:00
Just to nit-pick a bit....
 
Bush said...."You're either with us,or with the TERRORISTS".
 
It's no different really,just a matter a semantics,but I had to point that out.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2007 at 10:09
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Just to nit-pick a bit....
 
Bush said...."You're either with us,or with the TERRORISTS".
 
It's no different really,just a matter a semantics,but I had to point that out.
 
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" LOL
 
Actually, Bush is too dumb to even make it as a Sith.  He probably didn't even write that line though, but because he said it means he agrees with it.
 
His statement is that type of a bully. Using your upper hand to try and force someone to your will is just evil.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2007 at 10:12
No problem, needs pointing out for context, and I actually knew that.  He also said, "You're either with is, or against us in the fight against terror."  Forgot to include ellipses.  I though it rather a silly, veiled threat though that presented a false dichotomy of positions -- too polarising, One can be against the Bush administration's fight on terror without being with the terrorists.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2007 at 10:33
My point with the generosity was that the populace of the USA is highly generous when asked to contribute to a cause on a personal basis.  Government as an entity is typically and inherently (to a large extent) self-serving and corrupt so there's only so much one can do with one's vote but when asked to donate to disaster relief we come through big time.  Whether that money gets spent on the ones who need it most is beyond our control but if we let that be a bigger issue than the need then none of us would ever give a cent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2007 at 10:39
Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

My point with the generosity was that the populace of the USA is highly generous when asked to contribute to a cause on a personal basis.  Government as an entity is typically and inherently (to a large extent) self-serving and corrupt so there's only so much one can do with one's vote but when asked to donate to disaster relief we come through big time.  Whether that money gets spent on the ones who need it most is beyond our control but if we let that be a bigger issue than the need then none of us would ever give a cent.
 
Ironic how the collective are generous but the those that control the collective are guilty of the duplicitous self-serving crimes.
 
Also, many peoples of the world will exhibit generosity, right? The USA is not the only peoples to exhibit this. It is a function of humanity.
 
 
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