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Chus
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Topic: Is it legal to do a cover without permiss Posted: April 07 2007 at 16:22 |
.... without selling it? I'm planning to do a cover of M. Colombier's "The Hope" on guitar and devices but don't know if to put it on a myspace. It certainly is not for sale but wanted to know if it's legal
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 16:41 |
I don't know if it changes in different countries or not Chus. I suspect though you would be as well to at least seek permission, especially if you are going to make it available on the net (even at no cost).
(I put your thread in the musicians section, as they are most likely to know.)
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 16:46 |
Thanks Easy Livin. Sorry I didn't know in which exact section to put it ![Embarrassed](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif) .
And about it, I still think that one might need to seek permission for them to claim royalties for profits. I might ask Ivan as he is a lawyer graduate (I'm just a student 2nd year); although I'm not sure if he handles these kind of matters
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 16:52 |
I always thought it was theoretically illegal to play someone else's song without permission (e.g. in a pub band) although it is very unlikely that anyone would be prosecuted for doing so. If you put it on Myspace, in theory people could record it and sell it in which case you would probably be infringing copyright.
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 16:53 |
Good idea, Ivan will have a view I'm sure!
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Posted: April 07 2007 at 17:05 |
chopper wrote:
I always thought it was theoretically illegal to play someone else's song without permission (e.g. in a pub band) although it is very unlikely that anyone would be prosecuted for doing so. If you put it on Myspace, in theory people could record it and sell it in which case you would probably be infringing copyright. |
Yes you're probably right; but there's the doubt that the one who violated the law was the person who released it or the person who recorded it and sold it.
I just sent a PM to Ivan, I'm sure he can give me more clearance on this. Thanks anyway for your contributions. I'll wait for more opinions in this thread.
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 00:11 |
In an establishment that offers live music, they pay a fee to AASCAP and BMI. That is supposed to cover the copyright problem. If you put it on the net, it could be considered a broadcast, and therefore an infringement. I wouldn't chance it.
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 01:13 |
bhikkhu wrote:
In an establishment that offers live music, they pay a fee to AASCAP and BMI. That is supposed to cover the copyright problem. If you put it on the net, it could be considered a broadcast, and therefore an infringement. I wouldn't chance it. |
Yes, I got more or less the same answer from Ivan. Thanks bhikkhu ![Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif) .
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 01:32 |
Okay, wait, honest question...what if you put up a live track, done in a pub as it were, of a cover?
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As I toild you omn a PM Chus, if you live in one of the 163 countries that signed the Berne Convention, it's illegal because the article 6 says:
(1) Independently of the author's economic rights, and even after the transfer of the said rights, the author shall have the right to claim authorship of the work and to object to any distortion, mutilation or other modification of, or other derogatory action in relation to, the said work, which would be prejudicial to his honor or reputation. |
The text doesn't mention if there must be profit or not.
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So unless you live in a country not mentioned there (Not your case being from Venezuela) and you're modifying the work of a musician from another country not mentioned there you're fried, so not being your case, better ask permission.
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 01:36 |
Crap. Guess that'll go into my email to Ian too.
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 02:34 |
The Whistler wrote:
Crap. Guess that'll go into my email to Ian too. |
Yes, you can ask him permission while giving him a brown moose ice cream ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) .
And Thanks again Ivan, I'm sure this post made public will answer people here with the same question.
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 05:26 |
Chus wrote:
bhikkhu wrote:
In an establishment that offers live music, they pay a fee to AASCAP and BMI. That is supposed to cover the copyright problem. If you put it on the net, it could be considered a broadcast, and therefore an infringement. I wouldn't chance it. |
Yes, I got more or less the same answer from Ivan. Thanks bhikkhu ![Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif) . |
Wow, and I'm not even an attorney. I guess we do spend too much time together.
Actually, I know this from having worked in several places with live music.
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 11:07 |
Can't be many more than 184 countries in the world, can there?
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 12:33 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Can't be many more than 184 countries in the world, can there? |
Yes you're right Bob, there are 192 nations recognized by the UN (This makes 193 because the Vatican has chosen not to be a member of the UN and one that used to be a country but no longer is Taiwan) but not sure how many more not recogtnized there are, because every day a small country appears somewhere splitting from an already small country.
Most of the countries that have not signed the treaty are those who are in terrible civil wars and have other issues to worry about.
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 12:38 |
Vatican is out.... this means the padres can record Black Sabbath and give nothing to Ozzy & Co.
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 12:42 |
Atkingani wrote:
Vatican is out.... this means the padres can record Black Sabbath and give nothing to Ozzy & Co. ![Evil%20Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif) |
Vatican is not part of the UN (To avoid political participation), but it's a nation and have signed the WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization), you can find them in the above list as Holy See.
Even more, The Holy See signed the WIPO in 1975, so was one of the first countries toi do it.
So, no you can't copy Black Sabbath neither Hells Bells by AC/DC ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 08 2007 at 12:43
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 12:45 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
Vatican is out.... this means the padres can record Black Sabbath and give nothing to Ozzy & Co. ![Evil%20Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif) |
Vatican is not part of the UN (To avoid political participation), but it's a nation and have signed the WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization), you can find them in the above list as Holy See.
Even more, The Holy See signed the WIPO in 1975, so was one of the first countries toi do it.
So, no you can't copy Black Sabbath neither Hells Bells by AC/DC ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Madre de Diós, Iván! I searched City of Vatican, The Vatican... never was able to figure that the only Holy See in the World is from our beloved RC Church! ![Embarrassed](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 13:05 |
Atkingani wrote:
Madre de Diós, Iván! I searched City of Vatican, The Vatican... never was able to figure that the only Holy See in the World is from our beloved RC Church! ![Embarrassed](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)
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Yep, it's the only Holy See with status of nation.
I also thought Vatican was the official name, but this is copied from the WIPO page, so seems the real name accepted by other nations is Holy See.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 08 2007 at 13:30
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Posted: April 08 2007 at 14:27 |
The Holy Mountain of Athos (whatever it's actual name is) is also a state, but I don't know how it's special status is defined in the international community. They have a capital "city" and a government, the "Protaton", which consist of the council of protos (the leaders of the monasteries). They have their own legislation only on the matters important to them, for the rest they follow Greece's policy (like in external and internal affairs). They have their own economy laws, for example they don't apply some taxes, so if you buy a candle, an icon, an art album, a CD or something to eat, it will be around 30% cheaper than in inland Greece. They have foreigner rules: one has to get a residence permit in order to be allowed to enter; there is a bureau in the town where you take the boat to sail to the Mountain's ports (there is no terrestrial connection) which serves as a kind of consulate; one needs to take the short permit there, or show an invitation from one of the monasteries to get the extended permit. I've been there, it's special.
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