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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20516 |
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Time to talk about Basque Folk Prog music of the 70's. In While In the Basque region, however, the groups had very strong cultural identity and strong folk roots. As soon as 75, two groups released their first albums and the region will see many more artistes releasing Basque-sung records, all of which were proudly Basque and if not calling for separation, these groups had followers with the autonomous movements (I will not pretend anything regarding ETA). If those groups all sung in their native Basque language, making their text incomprehensible to most, most of those group who received Cd re-issues have their lyrics translated both in Spanish and in French. Now, for these regional products to be released back then and reissued now, it takes a rather specialized label and it appears that three of them were responsible for 95% of Basque Folk Prog output. Ioio, Elkar and Xoxo, of which most of their respective catalogue were regrouped on the Elkar label which had a partnership with Lost Vinyl records for their first Cd re-issues in the early 90’s, but now getting a second reissue on Elkar proper. - One of the first groups is Haizea, which released two records, the first being very Fairport Convention-like while the second Hontz Gaua is simply astounding with a side-long track delving from Gregorian chants to psychedelic influences. This second record is still uncertain as to its release date, some pretending as far as 79. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=588 - The other group releasing a record that year is Errobi , then a folk duo, but evolving into a full group by 78 when they released the fantastic Ametsaren Bidea . This album is really Errobi's best moment with two excellent lengthy tracks straying away from folk into psychedelic territory. The group will manage one of the longest careers with Itoiz, stretching well into the mid-80's.
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2464 - On a different label appeared Eider’s first album in 76, followed by their last one in 78. Like the other group mentioned in this list but not yet present in ProgArchives (Gure Bidea is also the case), I have yet to hear their music and to the best of my knowledge, it has not received a Cd reissue. - In 78, appeared Itoiz who had an outstanding self-titled symphonic prog debut album with very strong folk influence and a very sought-after transparent plastic artwork, but they confirmed this excellent showing with the almost flawless Ezekiel concept album which appears to be about exile. This album leans towards a very artistically successful mix between folk, rock and jazz and is really their apex. Their following album is reputed to be in the same vein, but a bit less adventurous. Unfortunately in the mid-80's Itoiz became a pop group turning into a U2 sound-alike and their live album from 88 was highlighting their recent tracks. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=641 - Maybe the most traditional folk group of this bunch was Izukaitz, which relied mostly on acoustic instruments, some ancient, and their self-titled debut being a real gem in the genre.
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1457 - The same year came out an album from the group Sakre, which was to be their only one. While Sakre did not play anything resembling Folk Prog, (they were rather heavy progressive rock), they sung in their native tongue and also appeared on that famed Elkar label.
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1420 - Not yet included in ProgArchives is Gure Bidea that released two albums of progressive folk rock on other labels (actually the same labels than Eider) than those mentioned here. Most likely, this explains why there are no reissues (to the best of my knowledge anyway) in Cd format, to this day. Even this writer has yet to hear them. Their two albums date from 78 & 79. - The following year (79), Enbor released the first of their two albums and their second the next year. Their progressive folk rock was tinged with jazz, not unlike the second Itoiz album Ezekiel. Their second album Katebegiak is their better one and present a side-long title track, which is truly progressive.
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2018 - Yet another Basque group Itziar (after their singer’s first name) released their sole album in 79 and it features a fairly straight ahead folk rock ala Fairport Convention or The Trees, but you can hear both symphonic and jazz influences though. The album received a reissue in 94 (which is why the wrong date in our PA) http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1222 - Another group that released their only album that year is Lisker, but I have yet to discover it, but it is reputed harder rocking than their countrymen's works. Sometimes reminding of De De Lind or a rougher Jethro Tull. Nevertheless their Basque lyrics and release on one of the three labels makes them a good inclusion to this list. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1362 Edited by Sean Trane - January 18 2007 at 11:26 |
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Nice work Hugues!
Basque Folk Prog is something that i should dig deeper since according to my mom, my grandfather´s family lived in the Basque region, also because Ezekiel is a magnific album though their basque language sounds very strange to me, but the music is excellent
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I've only heard Itoiz and Haizea...I really like the two Haizea albums I own...very melodic music with great vocals.
I also have two Itoiz albums...I like the first one better than Ezekiel. I hope to be able to hear some more of those bands you mention. |
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Very nice work, Hugues. Thanks for the good reading and info. Always glad to read and know more.
Heard several of these bands (and liked it). I shuold be able to get some of those I don't know from your list. |
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Well, i got interested since i saw this thread, and found some good links which offers great info about this Basque scene, you may be interested as well. |
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Oh boy, more stuff to listen to!
Don't you guys sometimes wish you had three heads, 3 sets of ears and 50 hour days? |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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A toughie Hugues which I don't know the answer. Who was the Basque singer/acoustic guitarists (French Camargue ?? bad spelling) at the end of the 60's, a favourite of the Saint Tropez set, and had some popularity in the UK? One of his albums on CBS/Columbia had titles of tunes such as Bridgette Bardot, Pablo Pasco
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Coincidently iv'e been listeninng to ITOIZ-"Ezekiel" all this week.Not the strongest vocals but i love the flute,sax and violin that accompanies the ever-present acoustic guitar.A very good listen.
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Yep, actually some vocals could be annoying, so does the language, but the music is excellent after all!
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Hi Dick, the Camargue (your spelliung was correct, your geography slighly less) is the Rhone Delta next to Marseille (and has more of a gypsy folk), which is about 600 Km away from the French Basque province (where Bayonne and Biarritz are), and the Basque capital is St-Jean De Luz in the heart of the Pyrenée mountains.
The only singer that comes to mind coming from that Province in Francis Cabrel but he's been around only since the mid-70's , but the man has integrity and thought-proviking socially-conscious lyrics.
Actually, I find the way this Basque language is sung is being delivered very much in a Italian-style, such as most Italian-styled symphonic prog. I am fairly irritated at the fact that the Itoiz albums are the only ones where the Basque text have not been translated to Spanish and French (hell they were not even printed in Basque), because I believe that Ezekiel is most likely to be a pure masterpiece of Basque poetry
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Maybe the person I'm trying to remember the name of was an Basque exile living in the Camargue, but not, I'm afraid, Francis Cabrel - his name may have even been a single word??????????????? I used to play his music in a record shop I worked around 1970 +/- a year or two, but never bought - and indeed to have this guy's records in that particular shop meant he was doing okay musically internationally.
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Afraid not!!
![]() But I only named a few Basque groups here, they (The Basques) had dozens of singers as well in the singer/songwriter's mode too. Most ofwhich I never heard. Edited by Sean Trane - January 19 2007 at 07:14 |
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Probably 30 years since I last heard MdP's music (so do I risk buy an album???) - but I'm sure there was a Basque connection - with apologies to Basques, to my English ears a name that comes from south of the Pyrennes.
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Basque names are something like this: Zurriaga, Ezkerro, Zabaleta, etc (they hardly use "c" or "s" or "v" in their names, if I'm not mistaken.. they also tend to replace the "ch" with "tx")... I didn't know the Basque region had prog-folk bands, but I surely wouldn't go as far as to say I'm fond of that region's music; Galicia however drew inevitably from celtic roots and an example of Galician celtic folk appears in the band "Mägo De Oz" (which is more metal than folk itself IMO)
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Yes, you are talking much sense - and of course I thinking back to about 1969. Now had more time to check out Manitas De Plata's record catalogue as offered on the web, and the word Flamenco seem to be the most common in album titles (indeed found a sub-4 quid deal on an album with that name at Amazon.Uk only minutes ago, to check out these faulty memories), also discovered that the LP I remember listening to was called Hommages - stereo LP from 67 or 68 going for 46 quid. However, the most common word in song titles on these albums is Camargue! A fusion of SW European musics???????
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That cover has flamenco written all over it, in my perspective... I could also tell from the way he mantains his right hand; then again I could be wrong.
While trying not to stray much from subject (and since flamenco has been frecuently brought up) I wholeheartily recommend Juan Martin, a flamenco guitarrist playing a mix of "palos" with a more symphonic rock format. |
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Actually this Basque prog folk or its no,-prog folk cousin does not sound radically different than others. While I am only somewhat familiar with Asturian and Galgian folk music, they do not sound particularly more Celtic (in a Irish or Scotts way), but they do have bagpipes and stuff
Of all folk music from Spain, Flamenco is the only one that really sounds very different, but Flamenco is more gypsy music than Andalusian music per se. Of course the usual clicjés of Corrida, Flamenco etc... are linked to the Spanish realm as much as thepiercing horns and the Rodrigo classical music (Aranjuez for ex).
But most of these groups I speak of are definitely axed towards a folk rock sound, rather than pure folk.
Towards the more pure folk
Eider and Izukaitz and early Errobi
towards Fairport Convention
Haizea and Enbor
Towards symphonic
Itoiz and second phase Errobi
Definitely more rock:
Lisker and Sakre
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It's true they do not sound radically different, but there was an approach in basque music which I found more unappealing; unfortunately I can't tell which because I heard it a long time ago. Galician music also tends to turn me off at times too; although there's a band called Fuxan Os Ventos which is more hinting to medieval/early renaissance music with celtic folk and has more consonance.
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There´s a band called Magdalena, (not the Japanese one) but i found
some interesting words:
They haven't got any success for them but they made one of the best records in the basque progressive. Great work of Mikel Landa in winds. With a similar line-up than that of Lisker the sound of Magdalena is more complex and closer to jazz rock. Long themes with good solos and constant rhythm changes
Anyone familiar? it may be interesting i think
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