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    Posted: January 21 2005 at 12:49
How many jews have been involved with prog? This can be on any level, from being on stage to being behind the mixing console.

Only one I can think of is Geddy Lee. I know this because he acquired the name Geddy from his jewish mother's mispronunciation of his real name, "Gary". I don't even have any idea if he practices the religion... if he was influenced by Peart's atheism than he may not be, i don't know.

Any other examples?
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I believe Dylan is jewish by birth, but since he's not prog I don't know why I'm writing an answer on this thread...
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Points: 9669 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2005 at 13:57

I don't think that such is your intention, Sweetnighter, but I think that the title and focus of this thread is potentially quite contentious.Stern Smile

Why is the Jewishness of an artist of particular interest/importance?Confused

Will you do Lutherans, Roman Catholics, Buddhists, Moslems or gays next?
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We're stepping political correctness quicksands... Yeah, may be a sensitive theme. By the way, any band from Israel?
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I found a site that has some good info on a few Israeli prog bands.

http://stevehegede.tripod.com/israel.htm






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Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

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Really? By the name, I would guessed he had italian rootes..

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Points: 1298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2005 at 15:53
no, my intention was wholehearted. my mom's fam is jewish 
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Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

I don't think that such is your intention, Sweetnighter, but I think that the title and focus of this thread is potentially quite contentious.Stern Smile

Why is the Jewishness of an artist of particular interest/importance?Confused

 

I see where you're coming from Peter, but this sort of political correctness is a little bit patronizing, in much the same way as using the word "coloured", when black is a perfectly good word. To avoid the word jew for fear of embarrassment implies that there is something to be ashamed of. A full blown "christian v atheist" thread is underway, yet simply mentioning the word "Jew" seems to evoke discomfort.

 Will you do Lutherans, Roman Catholics, Buddhists, Moslems or gays next?

Why not? Are these people unmentionable?
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Points: 3525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2005 at 18:39

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Originally posted by mirco mirco wrote:

Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

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Really? By the name, I would guessed he had italian rootes..
Zappa is Italian

 
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Zingale comes from Isreal and therefore may be Jewish.
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Originally posted by emdiar emdiar wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

I don't think that such is your intention, Sweetnighter, but I think that the title and focus of this thread is potentially quite contentious.Stern Smile

Why is the Jewishness of an artist of particular interest/importance?Confused

 

I see where you're coming from Peter, but this sort of political correctness is a little bit patronizing, in much the same way as using the word "coloured", when black is a perfectly good word. To avoid the word jew for fear of embarrassment implies that there is something to be ashamed of. A full blown "christian v atheist" thread is underway, yet simply mentioning the word "Jew" seems to evoke discomfort.

 Will you do Lutherans, Roman Catholics, Buddhists, Moslems or gays next?

Why not? Are these people unmentionable?

SmileI agree, Em, and please don't get me wrong: I am not against the mere mention of Jews -- but did first viewing the title of the thread honestly give you no misgivings, whatsoever?

Hmmm... compiling lists of Jews:

Jews in prog = Sweetnighter

Jews in civil rights movement = Hoover.

Jews in any position = Hitler

Communists/Jews in Holywood = McCarthy

 

I am just advocating caution and consideration (not silence or censorship), that's all.Stern Smile

Shalom, Sweetnighter! Ying YangHug,

TTYL, Em!Smile



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It's really no different than asking about women in prog...the novelty factor. It doesn't really matter, it's just the curiosity of some members of the majority for incidences of the extreme minority.

As long as we handle ourselves appropriately, we'll be okay.

Here's one band:

http://mitkadem3.homestead.com/parva_english.html

and if you read Hebrew, there's a whole webpage devoted to the subject of Jewish Progressive Rock:

http://mitkadem.homestead.com/

 

 
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It is my understanding that the Israeli prog rock scene is quite large (today) in comparison with other places on our planet (well, Scandinavia is another place...)

Users of soulseek might be interested in the "Israeli Progressive Rock" room...


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Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

It's really no different than asking about women in prog...the novelty factor. It doesn't really matter, it's just the curiosity of some members of the majority for incidences of the extreme minority.

As long as we handle ourselves appropriately, we'll be okay.

Here's one band:

http://mitkadem3.homestead.com/parva_english.html

and if you read Hebrew, there's a whole webpage devoted to the subject of Jewish Progressive Rock:

http://mitkadem.homestead.com/

 

 

Yes and no, James -- yes and no.

Jewish history remains Jewish history, and anti-Semitism (not yet seen here, I know) is alive and well.

Right you are!Smile Forge ahead, but tread carefully.....
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haha... well yes my family is jewish, but i don't consider myself such. its a debate i've had with friends more than once... is judaism a religion or a race? its an interesting question. seeing as how i don't believe nor do i practice the jewish faith, but am of jewish heritage, am i jewish? interesting question.

and i agree with james' position... its merely a matter of curiosity, you know, what types of people does prog rock attract? i mean, have i said something wrong? in the politically correct 2000s society, maybe i have, but i would certainly hope not. religion and race issues aren't solved by a society that flinches every time it hears race, religion or sex identifications.

i could imagine israel having a big prog scene... israeli society is largely secular, very liberal politically, and seeing as how most israelis are first or second generation israelis with family in europe or the states, mostly the latter, its no surpirse.
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Points: 890 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2005 at 12:55
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SmileI agree, Em, and please don't get me wrong: I am not against the mere mention of Jews -- but did first viewing the title of the thread honestly give you no misgivings, whatsoever?

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Peter, I concede I had a slight flinch. As I said, "simply mentioning the word "Jew" seems to evoke discomfort." I didn't neccessarily disclude myself from this observation. My point was rather, the fear of being labelled an antiSemite causes many to avoid such questions. I myself find it hard to criticise the corrupt theocratic State of Israel without feeling compelled to first clarify that I have no quarrel with Jews or Judaism. This common feeling of having to walk on egg shells has been exploited by Israel to shamelessly rob the Pallastinians of their homeland, whilst borrowed guilt and a desire to win influence in the middle-east has caused certain powerfull countries on either side of the pond (no names, no packdrill) to enable and legitimize that that is illegitimate. I don't want to start an "Israel,  promised land or stolen real estate" thread, only to say that to do anything to increase the victim status of the State of Israel is to further the cause of an oppressor which is itself guilty of crimes against humanity.

 

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Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

I don't think that such is your intention, Sweetnighter, but I think that the title and focus of this thread is potentially quite contentious.Stern Smile

Why is the Jewishness of an artist of particular interest/importance?Confused

Will you do Lutherans, Roman Catholics, Buddhists, Moslems or gays next?

The subtleties of language are interesting, n'est-ce pas? Would, for example, "Jewish Prog" or "Israeli Prog" as titles have raised eyebrows in the same way? I think not.

 
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Klezmer is fun. But believe me when I say that surprisingly few traditional Jews are willing to enter a discussion about the similarity between Klezmer, Polka, and Mariachi music. Ouch!
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