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darkshade 
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:10 |
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this came up in an Iron Maiden topic, but i figured i should bring it up. Phish is under prog-related, yet they have amazing prog albums, and some i consider up there with the greats. i dont seem to see enough arguement that they should stay prog-related. people say because after a certain point they moved from prog to a different style. if im not mistaken, didnt most of the classic 70's bands do that when the 80s came? (or sooner) Except Phish played in their style, just not prog, although almost every album after they left the prog scene had at least one prog song per album. so could someone please clue me in as to why they are not under some other subgenre of prog?
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:47 |
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Maybe he is related to prog somehow...
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:47 |
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are there even Phish fans here?
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:48 |
 cuncuna wrote:
Maybe he is related to prog somehow... |
he?
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:49 |
darkshade wrote:
are there even Phish fans here? |
Hi!
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:51 |
I don't know if they are even. If they have someting to settle as Phish fans, it is not of my bussines. 
Edited by cuncuna - October 02 2006 at 23:53
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darkshade
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:57 |
cuncuna wrote:
I don't know if they are even. If they have someting to settle as Phish fans, it is not of my bussines. |
IMHO i think they are. Their first 4 albums were completely prog, the 4th being a concept album
after that they strayed away from prog a little, still keeping their overall sound however.
one album, Story of the Ghost, was a fluke in their line of not so prog albums, with the song 'Guyute' being one of the best prog songs ive ever heard
so yea, i think they are prog
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:58 |
Chameleon wrote:
darkshade wrote:
are there even Phish fans here? |
Hi! |
hello! 
im looking for other points of view. may i ask what yours is?
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:59 |
darkshade wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
I don't know if they are even. If they have someting to settle as Phish fans, it is not of my bussines. |
IMHO i think they are. Their first 4 albums were completely prog, the 4th being a concept album
after that they strayed away from prog a little, still keeping their overall sound however.
one album, Story of the Ghost, was a fluke in their line of not so prog albums, with the song 'Guyute' being one of the best prog songs ive ever heard
so yea, i think they are prog |
The song 'Stash' is pretty much a jazz song with electric guitar over it. 'You Enjoy Myself' is very similar. I say that Phish should be under Art Rock.
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:01 |
Chameleon wrote:
darkshade wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
I don't know if they are even. If they have someting to settle as Phish fans, it is not of my bussines. |
IMHO i think they are. Their first 4 albums were completely prog, the 4th being a concept album
after that they strayed away from prog a little, still keeping their overall sound however.
one album, Story of the Ghost, was a fluke in their line of not so prog albums, with the song 'Guyute' being one of the best prog songs ive ever heard
so yea, i think they are prog |
The song 'Stash' is pretty much a jazz song with electric guitar over it. 'You Enjoy Myself' is very similar. I say that Phish should be under Art Rock. |
same here. im not sure theyd fit anywhere else on the site other than art rock.
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:03 |
darkshade wrote:
Chameleon wrote:
darkshade wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
I don't know if they are even. If they have someting to settle as Phish fans, it is not of my bussines. |
IMHO i think they are. Their first 4 albums were completely prog, the 4th being a concept album
after that they strayed away from prog a little, still keeping their overall sound however.
one album, Story of the Ghost, was a fluke in their line of not so prog albums, with the song 'Guyute' being one of the best prog songs ive ever heard
so yea, i think they are prog |
The song 'Stash' is pretty much a jazz song with electric guitar over it. 'You Enjoy Myself' is very similar. I say that Phish should be under Art Rock. |
same here. im not sure theyd fit anywhere else on the site other than art rock. |
A few of their songs are a bit Psychedelic/Space Rock-ish, but not enough to permanently put them under that category.
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:11 |
Chameleon wrote:
darkshade wrote:
Chameleon wrote:
darkshade wrote:
cuncuna wrote:
I don't know if they are even. If they have someting to settle as Phish fans, it is not of my bussines. |
IMHO i think they are. Their first 4 albums were completely prog, the 4th being a concept album
after that they strayed away from prog a little, still keeping their overall sound however.
one album, Story of the Ghost, was a fluke in their line of not so prog albums, with the song 'Guyute' being one of the best prog songs ive ever heard
so yea, i think they are prog |
The song 'Stash' is pretty much a jazz song with electric guitar over it. 'You Enjoy Myself' is very similar. I say that Phish should be under Art Rock. |
same here. im not sure theyd fit anywhere else on the site other than art rock. |
A few of their songs are a bit Psychedelic/Space Rock-ish, but not enough to permanently put them under that category. |
no matter what the songs seem like (space rock, psychedelic, jazz, funk, fusion, etc) they're progressive. look at David Bowie, Divided Sky, Rift, Maze, Stash, Tweezer, Guyute, You Enjoy Myself, Reba, Fluffhead/Fluff's Travels, Punch You in the Eye, Bouncing Around the Room, My Friend My Friend, The Lizards, Dinner and a Movie, It's Ice, Weigh, Pebbles and Marbles, What's the Use, Weekapaug Groove, Squirming Coil, Slave to the Traffic Light, Run Like and Antelope, Demand, Sand/First Tube, Glide, Drowned, etc... those are all excellent progressive rock songs
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:18 |
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:23 |
all the way, is there a way to suggest this to admins?
though i fear there arent enough phans to make anything happen. if theyd only put better songs to stream on the bands page. Wading in the Velvet Sea, while a good song, does not show, at all, what Phish's music is like
Edited by darkshade - October 03 2006 at 00:24
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Harry Hood
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:37 |
Phish was probably put under prog related because most prog bands are judged by their studio work. Overall, Phish's studio work has been significantly weaker than their live performances, and their strongest studio albums are also their least prog albums. (In my opinion anyway. I think Billy Breathes was their strongest studio effort)
However, listen to any of their live albums, and their proginess can't be denied.
Edited by Harry Hood - October 03 2006 at 00:38
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darkshade
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:41 |
Harry Hood wrote:
Phish was probably put under prog related because most prog bands are judged by their studio work. Overall, Phish's studio work has been significantly weaker than their live performances, and their strongest studio albums are also their least prog albums. (In my opinion anyway. I think Billy Breathes was their strongest studio effort)
However, listen to any of their live albums, and their proginess can't be denied. |
i think their first 4 albums had great, progressive compositions, and they improvised on studio albums too. i enjoy all Phish albums. though yes, their live output REALLY shows their progressive side more, their jams go places.
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 06:12 |
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Hi,
I'm a big fan of Phish and I think their music is PROGRESSIVE, though it might not be PROG-ROCK as some people understand it (that is not always PROGRESSIVE, like ie. The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard etc. which sound as RETRO to me with no new elements brought into rock music). Some people think they're just another jam-band (in vein of Grateful Dead) but do they know their studio albums? They seem pretty structured to me, for example Junta (my favorite) or A Picture Of Nectar - for me clear progressive rock albums. Their successors Umphrey's McGee (a great band BTW.) are on PA as Jazz Rock/Fusion band and that's a section where I would see Phish as well.
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 00:10 |
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First of all, I'm a big Phish fan. Easily one of my favorite bands. I think that they are absolutely 100% prog (especially in their first 4 albums and story of a ghost) not to mention that every live show is very progressive in its delivery. The only problem is the genre. They combine so many styles so well, but sometimes have standard country songs, or standard funk songs on their prog albums so it's hard to categorize. One thing is for sure, there is no band that sounds like Phish (or at least none I've heard yet.) They are 100% original.
I would probably put them in Art Rock as much as I feel a less defined Jazz Rock/Fusion is more tempting for them. But than again, they incorporated much more than your average jazz fusion band.
Oh and P.S. Phish used to be in Art Rock but were moved to Prog Related some time after. Sorry for bringing this post up I just felt the need to comment.
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Posted: November 30 2006 at 10:08 |
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Rift is one of the best Art Rock albums in the history of rock n roll!
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Posted: December 05 2006 at 18:07 |
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Why is Phish here at all? I've seen them on Auston City Limits a couple of times and there's nothing remotely proggy about them. Well, they do have a keyboard player but so doews REO Speedwagon so they should probably be here too.
If Phish is here why not the Grateful Dead and Dave Matthews Band? Hell, why not every band there is. This is a progressive rock site, and that seems to be something we're forgetting lately. The additions are getting out of control.
Edited by Trademark - December 05 2006 at 18:09
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