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PaperDuck 
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 Topic: 'Ello.
Posted: September 15 2006 at 21:16 |
Hello, all.
I'm PaperDuck, and I'm finally joining the forums here after about a year of using the site to check out albums and artists, or just to troll while bored. I'm 19, female, and got started listening to real prog just two years ago, though my roots were set with dad's 90125 and Talk albums on road trips in my early youth. In my father's defense, those weren't exactly his favorite albums either, but they're the only even mildly progressive albums my mom would listen to... unless you count the Moody Blues, which I don't.
I'm an especial fan of symphonic prog, though I've barely dipped into any at all - the only groups I have extended collections of are Yes, ABWH (any collection is extended  ), Emerson, Lake & Palmer, The Mars Volta and Pink Floyd. I also like the proggy side of Jethro Tull and Kansas, have mixed opinions on King Crimson (loved ITCOTCK and consider LTIA the best album I've ever heard, but was severely underwhelmed by Discipline - the only three I've heard), am weirded out (in a good way) by Jandek, have only heard a bad album of Genesis, and would think Frank Zappa should be banned if I thought anything should. I must confess my ignorance of pretty much all other prog, though my boyfriend has promised to send me some Rush, and I can't wait to get my hands on some good Genesis.
I also possess a shameful taste for Electric Light Orchestra and Styx in the pseudo-prog departments, as well as some classic rock, early metal, and a few artists I've picked up likings for from friends, including Billy Joel, Barenaked Ladies and various show tunes. Yes, I know. Shut up.
So, anyway... that's me. I look forward to participating, having fun, or whatever it is you do on these forums. 
Edited by PaperDuck - September 15 2006 at 21:17
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 21:27 |
Well now, what have we here?! Loves the 'proggy' side of Kansas, secret passion for ELO?! Good God, stay out of the Velvet Room!
Welcome!
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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Falling Flower
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 21:34 |
Yay! Another female proglover!
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Tool makes the butterflies in my tumybox go woooooooosh
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Australian
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 21:37 |
Why does, everyone sort of, dislike all us velveteers? Its a great place to get heaps of posts really quickly.
Welcome PaperDuck and enjoy.   
Poor Zappa 
Edited by Australian - September 15 2006 at 21:39
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PaperDuck
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 21:49 |
By proggy side of Kansas, I mean the potential they showed on Magnum Opus. I swear, that and Icarus together make me keep my fingers crossed that maybe, just maybe, I'll eventually find another good song by them  .
My favorites are Yes, TMV and the symphonic King Crimson though - give me a break! 
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Australian
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 21:53 |
What about Carry on Wayward son, you like that, right?
I love Yes and Symphonic prog also, my favorite stuff.
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 21:56 |
 PaperDuck wrote:
By proggy side of Kansas, I mean the potential they showed on Magnum Opus. I swear, that and Icarus together make me keep my fingers crossed that maybe, just maybe, I'll eventually find another good song by them .
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Whatdya' think Matt? A Kansas newbie, clearly.
Ducky, check out Song for America and Icarus II right on this website under the Kansas samples. We'll talk more later....
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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PaperDuck
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 21:57 |
Of course, but I wouldn't call it prog... that's more classic rock. I actually think Masque is better than Leftoverture, though, except for It takes a woman's love to make a man, which probably holds the lowest musical value to title length ratio of any song ever.
I liked Icarus II at first, but it sort of soured on me... ended up sounding too much like anime music. And I didn't even like what little I heard of the Song for America album enough to load it onto my computer, though I don't remember if I listened to the title track.
Edited by PaperDuck - September 15 2006 at 22:00
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Australian
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:00 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
PaperDuck wrote:
By proggy side of Kansas, I mean the potential they showed on Magnum Opus. I swear, that and Icarus together make me keep my fingers crossed that maybe, just maybe, I'll eventually find another good song by them .
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Whatdya' think Matt? A Kansas newbie, clearly.
Ducky, check out Song for America and Icarus II right on this website under the Kansas samples. We'll talk more later....
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just needs a little experiance with kansas...
Trust me PaperDuck you'll eventually love them as we do.
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PaperDuck
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:01 |
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In case anybody didn't notice, I edited my earlier post when I realized Clem had posted before I did ^_^
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Falling Flower
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:03 |
 Your birthday is on the same day as mine 
Edited by Falling Flower - September 15 2006 at 22:03
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Tool makes the butterflies in my tumybox go woooooooosh
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WaywardSon
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:03 |
Welcome PaperDuck!
Also check out "The Pinnacle" by Kansas.
Enjoy The Forums!
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PaperDuck
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:04 |
True, Pinnacle was good too...
And Flower, it was my birthday first
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Falling Flower
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:05 |
PaperDuck wrote:
True, Pinnacle was good too...
And Flower, it was my birthday first |
Sorry, I didn't choose to copy you.
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Tool makes the butterflies in my tumybox go woooooooosh
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KoS
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:14 |
NO zappa no KC hmmm your off my list
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Peter
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:41 |
Australian wrote:
Why does, everyone sort of, dislike all us velveteers? Its a great place to get heaps of posts really quickly.
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Well, I'm not sure that everyone does, but you've really just answered your own question.
 Why is getting "heaps of posts really quickly" important to you? Do you think it means automatic "respect," or something? (It doesn't!)
There was a time when those who posted in this forum did so when they had something to say, that would hopefully be of interest to others.
Then we got popular. (As to why I think that happened, and why our average age suddenly shot drastically down, I'd better not say).
The always front-page Velvet Room, and new members flocking there just to accumulate post counts with inane posts like "cya" "im here" "I bought this" and " " make this forum look like just another teen chat room.
Listeners of "progressive rock" here (not that that term means anything much, any more) used to be a deeper, more thoughtful variety of rock fan. They knew stuff -- they had thoughtful, often thought-provoking, often witty things to say.
90% of the posting on this forum these days takes place in the VR, and 98% of that is completely shallow, and vapidly BORING to all but those who hang out there to drive up their post counts, and thus get some sort of "rep." (We also get all those childish "best" "worst' and "x vs y" polls.) 
But just like a 12 year-old trying to look tough or "grown up" with a cigarette looks even more like a silly kid, so does someone with 8000 posts (that say basically NOTHING) in 6 months look immature, and frankly, shallow.
And I still don't "dislike" you -- I don't know you. I just resent what kids have done to this once fine forum. It is little more than just another teen chatroom, now.
The prevalence of empty, immature chatter is driving interesting people away.
Sorry, but I had to say that!
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 15 2006 at 22:44
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 22:45 |
Tough day Pete?
Well, I kinda know Matt and I like him...
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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Peter
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Posted: September 15 2006 at 23:17 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Tough day Pete?
Well, I kinda know Matt and I like him... |
No, not especially.
I did not say I "dislike" anyone -- I don't know you guys.
I just wonder why, for goodness sake, are post counts (and album positions in the top 100., etc) so damned important to so many of our younger members?
I've been here from the very start, Clem -- I post lots (too much, really!), but there are plenty of people who've been here perhaps 1/3 as long as I have, who have double or triple my number of posts. I am not "jealous" of that, of course, but you don't get, say, 8000 posts in 6 months by writing mostly thoughtful things that may be of interest to many prog fans. You get those numbers by treating this forum like just another chat room.
This silly, childish obsession has caused this forum to be flooded daily with absolute DRIVEL. (And I think it's getting worse.) People think they deserve congratulations for every 1000 posts, but why is quantity valued over quality? Is it all just about lists and numbers? 
It certainly wasn't like this in 2004. Many interesting, more mature members have left in dismay (I know, because we've communicated). I may be outnumbered, but I am hardly alone in feeling this frustration.
I just wish that many people here, especially the "Velvet gang" would post less, actually try to say something of substance, and get over this immature, competitive obsession with "lots of posts, really quickly."
It just degrades the forum -- there are chat rooms for that sort of thing!
And some people -- no doubt including yours truly (but I do take frequent lengthy breaks from here) -- really need to spend less time in front of their computers. It's an addiction, and not healthy. Nor does it do this forum any good. 
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 15 2006 at 23:18
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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PaperDuck
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Posted: September 16 2006 at 01:18 |
Hi, uh... this is supposed to be my welcome thread, not a rant about what's wrong with newbies these days.
Thanks  .
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Peter
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Posted: September 16 2006 at 01:26 |
^ Apologies, Duckie!
Please don't take it personally.
"Australian" could have posted his question anywhere here, & I would have responded as I did.
These exchanges & tensions happen in forums....
A belated welcome!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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